- From: Thomas Roessler <tlr@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:48:57 +0200
- To: public-xmlsec-maintwg@w3.org
Sorry for the delay. Much of it is due to problems with the mailing list set-up that kept Bruce from posting to the list. These are now fixed. These minutes are also visible online: http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes Cheers, -- Thomas Roessler, W3C <tlr@w3.org> ----- Forwarded message from Bruce Rich <brich@us.ibm.com> ----- From: Bruce Rich <brich@us.ibm.com> To: "Hirsch, Frederick" <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>, "Roessler, Thomas" <tlr@w3c.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:41:09 -0600 Subject: Fw: Draft minutes 2007-09-04 X-Spam-Level: X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5 [1]W3C - DRAFT - XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call 4 Sep 2007 [2]Agenda See also: [3]IRC log Attendees Present Frederick Hirsch Sean Mullan Bruce Rich Thomas Roessler Hal Lockhart Juan Carlos Cruellas Konrad Lanz Regrets Rob Miller, Phill Hallam-Baker Chair Frederick Hirsch Scribe Thomas Roessler, Bruce Rich Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]action item review 2. [6]workshop 3. [7]test cases / interop 4. [8]interop testcases 5. [9]best practices * [10]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________________ <rdmiller> I will not be able to attend the call today. Sorry for the late notice. <fjh> Agenda: [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0 066.html <fjh> Agenda: [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0 066.html <tlr> ScribeNick: tlr RESOLUTION: last week's minutes approved, [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0 016.html action item review jcc: test cases for scheme-based xpointers ?? ... section 3.5 ... <fjh> looking at this mail - [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0 054.html jcc: document contains comments ... ... test case described about using xpointers and barenames ... ... thought this action was completed ... <scribe> ScribeNick: brich <klanz2> JC are you talking about this: [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html#TestCases-SchemaBasedXPointers <tlr> thanks klanz for the pointer, I was looking for that <jcc> The signature will be an enveloping signature. The enveloped document will be the one shown at the begininning of this section. The value of the URI attribute will be "xpointer(id("e1ID"))" <tlr> +1 to closing this action <tlr> brich, you don't need to use the IRC nick name, something that matches the person should work. <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet action 68 close ACTION 68 closed ACTION-71 open ACTION-68 closed <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet <fjh> action 68 closed <fjh> action 75 done, 3.6.1 <jcc> 3.6.1 Test cases on differences identified in RFC 2253 and RFC 4514 <scribe> ACTION: 68 close [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - 68 <tlr> [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html#TestCases-DistinguishedName-RFC2253-RFC4514 <tlr> brich, if you start with "ACTION: ", you create a new action item, which in this case was on 68 to close :) <fjh> action 74 open <klanz2> 82, 83 keep open ... ACTION 75 closed <klanz2> 82, 83 keep open ... ACTION 84 closed <fjh> action 84 was for minuts of 21 AUG <klanz2> can you excuse me for 3 minutes, I'll be right back ACTION 85 closed ACTION 86 closed workshop <klanz2> back invitations sent, not much in the way of responses yet <tlr> nothing else to add... <klanz2> I like the term freefall ;-) interop format question looking for some structure, but relatively free-form so far <fjh> will want to produce interop test matrix summarizing results, also summarize issues test cases / interop interop testcases simple testcases for c14n11 being selected (possibly to go to xml core) <fjh> +1 to separate c14n11 alone cases so some for just c14n11, some for dsig <klanz2> [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html <fjh> klanz2: created stand alone test case directories, also updated test cases document accordingly <tlr> I'd suggest the public list for technical discussion. <fjh> +1 to public list <fjh> c14n11 cases [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html#TestCases-Can-XMLAttributes <klanz2> [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html#XMLLANG <fjh> ... links in table lead to source documents <fjh> ... tests in 3.2 can also be done in 3.3 in context of signature as well klanz2: will continue to update document listed in link above <fjh> sean: generated sigs for xml:lang, xml:id and xml:space <sean> zakim. mute me klanz2: suggest report to core will just be c14n11, not dsig tlr: original issues were raised in context of dsig, not c14n alone <fjh> tlr: dealing with partial document c14N11 seems to be use case within dsig context <tlr> I'm not feeling strongly either way. <tlr> I won't keep anybody from doing more test cases :) <fjh> jcc: in favor of keeping stand alone c14n11 test cases <fjh> ... useful to have independent test cases, easier to detect issues <fjh> klanz2: dom uses c14n <Zakim> Thomas, you wanted to ask whether we're sure everybody has the necessary APIs to test the standalone document subset cases <sean> I don't think it should be a requirement to pass standalone c14n cases <fjh> +1 to standalone c14n11 use cases, if feasible and practical to do <fjh> sean: ok for standalone cases, but should not be required test matrix case <fjh> brich: +1 to sean, useful to have, e.g. for debugging, but not a requirement tlr: what will the output from the interop look like, want matchup in functions tested klanz2: separation of testcases allows reporting of subset c14n to interested parties tlr: +1 to have two ways to test, one for c14n and one in a dsig env. <fjh> klanz2: single table entry that has both c14n11 standalone and sig with same input <tlr> "do it" also meaning to have the linked test cases <tlr> ACTION: klanz2 to document approach to subset expressions in a README file along with the test cases [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-87 - Document approach to subset expressions in a README file along with the test cases [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-09-11]. frederick: question about value of negative testcases <sean> +1 to negative test cases <klanz2> [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases. html#TestCases.xmldsig_c14n11 <fjh> klanz: what about implementation that always returns true for all sigs <fjh> hal: but produce sig value... <fjh> tlr: do we need test case to discern c14n10 and c14n11 implementations, not negative case per se <tlr> the hashing / looking at output documents obviates need for negative test cases. <tlr> We just don't want to have a test suite that yes(1) can pass <fjh> note - issue for discern c14n10 and c14n11 <klanz2> ;-) <fjh> ACTION: jcc to remove negative test cases from test case document, save in repository in new document [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-88 - Remove negative test cases from test case document, save in repository in new document [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-09-11]. <klanz2> What about existing, test cases? Merlin an so on ... <klanz2> @brich: [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/c14n11/ <klanz2> [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/c14n11/ sean: do we send out reminder about interop? fjh: need stable draft of interop doc by next week klanz2: what IPR applies to contributed testcases? can we unpack zip? <fjh> ACTION: tlr to review whether original XML Sig test cases can be used for derivative work (IPR etc), e.g. merlin.zip [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-89 - Review whether original XML Sig test cases can be used for derivative work (IPR etc), e.g. merlin.zip [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-09-11]. <klanz2> sorry, I was dropped, Ihate my viop client ;-( <tlr> [27]http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html <klanz2> back fjh: are we going to remove duplicate tests? <fjh> acck <fjh> ac sean: not worth work to remove best practices fjh: trying to use wiki for this pupose, lacks weight of a document ... suggest continued use of wiki, pending different decision <klanz2> bye bye <jcc> exit Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: 68 close [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: jcc to remove negative test cases from test case document, save in repository in new document [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: klanz2 to document approach to subset expressions in a README file along with the test cases [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: tlr to review whether original XML Sig test cases can be used for derivative work (IPR etc), e.g. merlin.zip [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action04] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [32]scribe.perl version 1.128 ([33]CVS log) $Date: 2007/09/04 14:28:04 $ References 1. http://www.w3.org/ 2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0066.html 3. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-irc 4. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#agenda 5. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#item01 6. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#item02 7. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#item03 8. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#item04 9. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#item05 10. file://localhost/home/roessler/.tmp/04-xmlsec-minutes_1_.html#ActionSummary 11. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0066.html 12. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0066.html 13. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0016.html 14. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0054.html 15. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases-SchemaBasedXPointers 16. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01 17. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases-DistinguishedName-RFC2253-RFC4514 18. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html 19. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases-Can-XMLAttributes 20. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#XMLLANG 21. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02 22. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases.xmldsig_c14n11 23. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03 24. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/c14n11/ 25. http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/c14n11/ 26. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action04 27. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html 28. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01 29. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03 30. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02 31. http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-xmlsec-minutes.html#action04 32. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm 33. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ ----- End forwarded message -----
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