XProc Minutes 27 Aug 2014

See http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes

[1]W3C

                                   - DRAFT -

                            XML Processing Model WG

Meeting 249, 27 Aug 2014

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
           Norm, Loren, Alex, Henry

   Regrets
           Jim

   Chair
           Norm

   Scribe
           Norm

Contents

     * [4]Topics

         1. [5]Accept this agenda?
         2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
         3. [7]Specification issues
         4. [8]Test suite issues
         5. [9]Any other business?

     * [10]Summary of Action Items

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  Accept this agenda?

   -> [11]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-agenda

   Accepted.

  Accept minutes from the previous meeting?

   -> [12]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/20-minutes

   Accepted.

   Next meeting: 3 Sep 2014

   <ht> Regrets for 3 Sept

   Norm gives probable regrets for 10, 17, and possibly 24 Sep

  Specification issues

   -> [13]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues

   Norm describes the move to GitHub issues for the spec

   Alex: Did you merge my XInclude stuff?

   Norm: Yes, in the xproc20 branch.
   ... I want everyone to use pull requests to change the spec.

  Test suite issues

   -> [14]https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues

   Norm describes the test-suite repo

   -> [15]https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13

   Norm describes his pull request.

   ->
   [16]https://github.com/ndw/test-suite/commit/018adf51bb43edea7c00883818507bea6ddbbf6b

   Alex: Alternatively, we could have multiple expected results and the test
   passes if you match any one of them.

   Norm: I agree, but that'd be a bigger change in the test suite.

   Alex: I'm fine with this change, but we should consider multiple outputs
   for the future

   -> [17]https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues/15

   Norm: I propose that we accept the change offered in
   [18]https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13

   [19]http://tests.xproc.org/tests/required/data-002.xml

   Alex: How far are we going to go, are we going to try to produce tests
   that test every conceivable variation.

   Norm: We're going to go as far as we can.

   Henry: I hear Norm saying "it would be a bug if our core processing didn't
   accept quoted content type parameters", but that doesn't appear to be the
   problem.
   ... Alex is suggesting we should normalize these things. If we find places
   where there was a bug in somebody's step implementation then we should try
   to make sure that we test that.
   ... But we can't go and look for all possible bugs.
   ... What I heard Alex say was that we should actually normalize this.

   Alex: I think you misheard me. I think there is an open issue of how we
   deal with this in general in our test suite for 2.0.
   ... I think we should consider this carefully so that we have a good test
   suite without combinatorial issues.
   ... My question was "should we be trying to be that complete". Norm says
   "best effort" and I think that's a fine answer.

   Norm: I'm happy to have tests for all the cases we think of.

   Alex: I've run into this with other test suites.

   Norm: I think experience with the 1.0 test suite will improve the 2.0 test
   suite.
   ... Coming back around to my question, does anyone object to the proposed
   change to those two tests?

   None heard. Accepted.

   -> Requirement “2.3 Align with XPath 3.0 technlogies”

   -> [20]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/30

   Norm: I attempted to address part of the 2.3 requirement, removing XPath
   1.0

   -> [21]https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/remove-xpath-10/head/

   Norm waffles on a bit about XPath versions...

   Alex: How are we going to track the changes? For example, if I wanted to
   write an upgrade tool, how would I know that two p: functions had been
   removed.

   Norm: I guess there should be a changelog.

   Alex: It doesn't have to be in the document.

  Any other business?

   None heard.

   Adjourned.

   rrsangent, draft minutes

Summary of Action Items

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References

   1. http://www.w3.org/
   2. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-agenda
   3. http://www.w3.org/2014/08/27-xproc-irc
   4. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#agenda
   5. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#item01
   6. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#item02
   7. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#item03
   8. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#item04
   9. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#item05
  10. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-minutes#ActionSummary
  11. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-agenda
  12. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/20-minutes
  13. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues
  14. https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues
  15. https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13
  16. https://github.com/ndw/test-suite/commit/018adf51bb43edea7c00883818507bea6ddbbf6b
  17. https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues/15
  18. https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13
  19. http://tests.xproc.org/tests/required/data-002.xml
  20. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/30
  21. https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/remove-xpath-10/head/
  22. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
  23. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/