- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:50:28 -0600
- To: public-xml-processing-model-wg@w3.org
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See http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes
[1]W3C
- DRAFT -
XML Processing Model WG
24 Jan 2013
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Norm, Henry, Alex, Vojtech
Regrets
Jim
Chair
Norm
Scribe
Norm
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Accept this agenda?
2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
3. [7]Next meeting: 31 Jan 2013
4. [8]Review of open action items
5. [9]XML Processor Profiles review
6. [10]Review of binary proposals
7. [11]Any other business?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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Accept this agenda?
-> [13]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-agenda
Accepted.
Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
-> [14]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/17-minutes
<jfuller> +1
Accepted.
Next meeting: 31 Jan 2013
No regrets heard.
Propose to cancel: 7 and 14 Feb
Accepted.
Some informal discussion of the telcon date and time:
-> [15]http://www.doodle.com/fxhx3h99kquvz4qa
Move to Wednesdays at 09:00a CST (07:00a PST, 15:00GMT)?
Review of open action items
Norm: I culled a lot of items
Henry: I haven't looked at 215-02
... I will
... I was working on 215-04 as the call started and will finish today
Norm: Alex, do you want to work on the use cases you're assigned?
Alex: Yes, I think those are good ones in the mix.
... I think we need to sort through all the work we did earlier. I think
we should publish that as a note.
... I'm not going to get to that real soon.
Norm: I think you're right
Alex: I'm happy to do that after I get back from Prague
<scribe> ACTION: Norm to resurface getting the original use
cases/requirements document refactored into a Note after XML Prague
[recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
Norm: I'll still draft a note for my steps and we should put zip/unzip
back on the list, I guess
<scribe> ACTION: Norm to put p:zip/p:unzip steps on the agenda post-XML
Prague [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action02]
XML Processor Profiles review
-> [18]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html
Norm: Let's cut to the chase if we can, are the two actions on *this*
agenda, all that's left to be done?
... I tried to go through the actions, the comments that Alex posted, and
the document and I thought I got everything.
->
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2013Jan/0010.html
WG discusses the state of affairs
Norm wonders, wrt [20]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/03/15-minutes, if
the note in 2.3 would simply be: "The external decl profile, without
validation, gives the complete infoset of a well-formed XML document, wtih
validation, it gives the complete infoset of a well-formed, and validate
ddocument"
<alexmilowski>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-xproc-minutes.html#action03
Henry: Yes, I think just add that to the end of the note I added.
... But it's not actually true. If you interpret the external decl profile
with validation as meaning use a validating processor that processes
external decl then you may not get anything.
Norm: Ok, with a note to the effect that an invalid document won't return
an infoset.
Alex: Depends on the validation: DTD or Schema.
Norm: Ok, I'll be careful about that
... And we could add the note that Henry refers to after that in those
minutes
... Should I try both of those things?
Alex: Sounds good to me.
<jfuller> +1
Henry: The way the proposed text above is written, the distinction we want
to make is validating processor. A non-validating processor conformant to
th EDP, gives the complete infoset of a document. A validating processor
may give nothing, but if it gives something, it will..."
Alex: We say "parser" instead of processor in the note in 2.1
Henry: That's probably a mistake.
Alex: We should fix that, we should say processor.
-> [22]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html
Alex: Do we need to say something about this being DTD parsing in the
sense of the XML Rec and not other forms of schema validation
Norm: I'll link to the term.
... Are we satisfied that with these changes, assuming we like the
editor's choice of words, we've completed our tasks and we're ready to ask
the reviewers to look at it again and see if they're satisfied?
Henry: Yes
<scribe> ACTION: Norm to implement the changes proposed and send them to
the WG for review in time for next week's meeting [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action03]
Norm: Any other discussion of processor profiles this week?
... None heard
Review of binary proposals
Alex: Could we step back and have a broader discussion
Henry: I thought there was an emerging consensus that we should try for
the all-XML approach
... I'd rather frame it that way
Vojtech: I'm willing to try the all XML way first if we can manage it
... What I proposed is allowing non-XML data to flow through the pipeline,
but it does have some weird consequences that I'm not that comfortable
with; XProc is a an XML processing language, if we can process other kinds
of data and maintain the XML flavor, I'm in favor of that.
Alex: I have an email.
The WG reviews ->
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Oct/0006.html
Alex: It does rely on some sort of resource manager.
Norm: Does it actually rely on special URIs?
Alex: It's up to the implementation.
<jfuller> +1 general gist of conversation
Norm: The question I have is, is there ever any need to distingusih
between the XML or the referenced binary?
Alex: It does mean more works for our steps.
Norm: So you can't ever post the XML
Alex: Or you have an extra bit of markup that says which to do.
... You might want, with a data URI for example, to be able to save the
XML or save the binary
Norm: Let's try some email discussion to see if we can decide if we need
to make this distinction and if we do, how we might do it cleanly.
Any other business?
Norm: We were going to talk about the XProcathon, but let's wait for Jim
next week or do it in email
Adjourned.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to implement the changes proposed and send them to the
WG for review in time for next week's meeting [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to put p:zip/p:unzip steps on the agenda post-XML
Prague [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to resurface getting the original use
cases/requirements document refactored into a Note after XML Prague
[recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item02
7. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item03
8. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item04
9. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item04b
10. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item04c
11. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#item05
12. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-minutes#ActionSummary
13. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/24-agenda
14. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/01/17-minutes
15. http://www.doodle.com/fxhx3h99kquvz4qa
16. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action01
17. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action02
18. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html
19. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2013Jan/0010.html
20. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/03/15-minutes
21. http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-xproc-minutes.html#action03
22. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html
23. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action03
24. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Oct/0006.html
25. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action03
26. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action02
27. http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-xproc-minutes.html#action01
28. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
29. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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