- From: Vasil Rangelov <boen.robot@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:21:43 +0200
- To: <public-xml-processing-model-comments@w3.org>
Oh boy... the situation with this section seems far worse than I remember. Now, I'm not a spec writer, so I can't say that too technically, but in summary, shouldn't the spec in general call to: 1. Allow for extension *atomic steps* AND direct children of p:pipeline.* 2. Allow non-null attributes on any element (fortunately, that seems to be the case now). 3. Ignore any extension elements AND attributes placed in the ignored namespaces list, regardless of whether the extension is supported or not.** 4. When encountering a non-implemented extension, behave as if the element/attribute was not there i.e. as if it was ignored. * If an XProc processor is to follow the rule "The presence of an extension element must not cause the connections between steps to differ from the connections that any other conformant XProc processor would produce" currently present in the spec, then they won't be creating any compound steps anyway. ** That is, behave as if those elements were not present in the pipeline to begin with, not give errors or anything... right? If not, what happens on ignoring should be defined. If so... I'm not sure I see the idea here. And last, but definitely not least, how are things standing between ignored namespaces and imported pipelines? I mean, if pipeline A imports pipeline library B and C, where B doesn't declare those namespaces are ignored, and C adds additional ignored namespaces, what namespaces are ignored in which pipeline(-library)? I didn't saw any paragraph explaining that sort of situation. And I'm feeling very split as to how it should be. In comparison, XSLT used "extension-element-prefixes" which explicitly declares extensions on a single stylesheet basis, so it never has to worry for those in included/imported stylesheets. Using "ignore-prefixes" on a single pipeline or pipeline-library basis seems to be pointless if you ask me, so there should probably be some rules for imported pipelines to make this useful, or "ignore-prefixes" should be turned into "extension-prefixes" with the semantics of XSLT's "extension-element-prefixes". -----Original Message----- From: public-xml-processing-model-comments-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xml-processing-model-comments-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Henry S. Thompson Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:17 PM To: public-xml-processing-model-comments@w3.org Subject: I'm _still_ confused about 3.8 Extension elements -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Further to the whole question of versioning. . . 3.8 [1] appears to me to contradict itself: "An element is only an extension element if it is an ignorable element that occurs as a direct child of a p:pipeline or p:pipeline-library." "[E]lements in a subpipeline are interpreted as follows. . . 2. Is in ignorable namespace? a. Is a known extension? Process as appropriate." How can an element in a sub-pipeline be a direct child of p:pipeline? I know I originally proposed the interpretation bullets, but I'm still confused. . . Looking at the RNG schema, and other parts of the spec., I _think_ the editor's intent was to allow extensions only in subpipelines, as a way of allowing for . . . extensions. But that is completely at odds with the following from the beginning of 3.8: "The presence of an extension element must not cause the connections between steps to differ from the connections that any other conformant XProc processor would produce." Such a constraint would render any extension useless, as far as I can tell. Maybe this all is moot, as this aspect of the spec. has to be revisited in light of our proposal wrt language evolution at the f2f [2], discussion wrt Comment 15. [Actually, I've excerpted that discussion and replied to the Comment 15 thread with it, and then sent _this_ message in the resulting thread . . .] ht [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/langspec.html#extension-elements [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2007Nov/0 031.html - -- Henry S. Thompson, HCRC Language Technology Group, University of Edinburgh Half-time member of W3C Team 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail really from me _always_ has this .sig -- mail without it is forged spam] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHRcejkjnJixAXWBoRAvFyAJ9QvsWB+iANBXbaaeHwTSnPgkGjZgCfSG7K 8+3uWDPKUSnfwvvVOYAC68Y= =BCkr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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