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Re: Change namespace of xml:id

From: Norman Walsh <Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:25:42 -0500
To: John Boyer <JBoyer@PureEdge.com>
Cc: Elliotte Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, public-xml-id@w3.org
Message-id: <87d5vb55gp.fsf@nwalsh.com>
/ "John Boyer" <JBoyer@PureEdge.com> was heard to say:
|>FWIW, I don't. There's a precedent for using xml: (xml:base, xml:lang,
| The precedent for lang and space comes from XML 1.0 itself, so
| I do not think those represent a precedent in the sense that
| you mean the word.

They demonstrate that the attributes in the xml: namespace can and do
exist and that they have some well-known properties, specifically that
they are in a namespace that doesn't have to be declared.

| As for XML base, *no one* gave that much thought to it at the time.

That's a pretty broad assertion.

| You can make believe that some sort of precedent was set, but
| what happened was a technical oversight that should not be 
| repeated.

By the same token, you can make believe that some sort of technical
oversight occurred, but in fact a new specification was created that
defined a new attribute in the xml: namespace and that does set
a precedent.

  Main Entry: prec·e·dent
  Pronunciation: 'pre-s&-d&nt
  Function: noun
  1 : an earlier occurrence of something similar
  2 a : something done or said that may serve as an example or rule to
  authorize or justify a subsequent act of the same or an analogous
  kind <a verdict that had no precedent> b : the convention
  established by such a precedent or by long practice
  3 : a person or thing that serves as a model

|>There's no precedent (that I can think of) for taking advantage
|>of the fact that XML reserves names beginning xml (except maybe
| xml-stylesheet is a PI, so it has nothing to do with the
| discussion.

How so? It's a name. A name is a name.

| But, the Namespace Rec establishes a precedent by reserving
| any prefix that starts with xml.  It's not sensible to 
| justify not setting the right precedent by arguing that 
| there is no precedent!

I think the Namespaces Rec goes further than setting a precedent,
it states a fact.

                                        Be seeing you,

Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM / XML Standards Architect / Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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