Re: Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2015 November 11

My regrets and proxy to the chair, I have conflicting meeting which I
have to attend.

    Jirka

On 9.11.2015 16:02, Paul Grosso wrote:
> We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
> November 11, from
> 08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
> 11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
> 16:30-17:00 UTC
> 16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
> 17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
> 
> **************************************************************
> 
> Despite the fact that we have not had any progress, I plan
> to try to have a call this week because if we don't have any
> progress soon, we will have seriously missed our "heart beat"
> and will have to consider ourselves moribund.
> 
> Aside from all the miscellaneous nits, we have XML Schema 1.1
> for which we have no editor and no real plan and XInclude 1.1
> which we should really be able to get to Rec, but if we don't
> do that before the end of this year, I fear we will be asked
> to give up.
> 
> **************************************************************
> 
> We are now using Webex for our conferences. See
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#std-telcon-info
> 
> You can join by phone by dialing +1-617-324-0000 directly and
> using an access code of 643 434 633#.
> 
> You can also use the Webex client (and have it call you)
> by pointing your browser at
> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mc1156896bec942d319521903648bd6c4.
> 
> We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .
> 
> See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
> and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
> email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.
> 
> Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
> completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
> at the beginning of the call.
> 
> 
> Agenda
> ======
> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
> 
> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> XML Potential Errata
> --------------------
> Comment that “or by the Byte Order Mark” is lacking in section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002
> 
> Comment that an entity cannot “begin” with a BOM as suggested in section
> 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003
> 
> ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments
> on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec.
> 
> ----
> 
> Comment about documents with an "empty DTD":
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8
> and
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
> 
> Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here;
> see also his comments at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004
> 
> Paul sent the WG response at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005
> and there was more back from the commentor at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
> 
> Henry referenced Paul's email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0010
> especially Paul's suggestion in point 4, though Henry wasn't
> sure he agreed with the suggestion.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Post some suggestion(s) to the list about
> how to address: Comment about documents with an "empty DTD".
> 
> ----
> 
> Question about normalization checking in XML 1.1
> ------------------------------------------------
> John Cowan forwarded an email for us to consider at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0026
> which I've also forwarded to the xml-editor list at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014OctDec/0000
> for official/archive purposes.
> 
> Paul wrote some comments in email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0028
> 
> Henry checked with Richard who agrees it's a bug, though how
> to fix it isn't obvious. Probably the only candidates for not
> being normalized are (internal and external) doctypes per email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Jan/0004
> 
> ACTION to Norm and Henry: Review the email about normalization checking
> in XML 1.1 and suggest an appropriate corrigendum.
> 
> ----
> 
> Potential Erratum to Namespaces
> -------------------------------
> CMSMcQ raised a potential erratum against Namespaces at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2014Sep/0000
> with WG discussion started at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Sep/0019
> 
> He says that our latest wording in the definition of 'namespace name'
> (section 2.1) appears to say that an element with no namespace binding
> in scope is in no namespace as opposed to saying its namespace is
> unknown (thereby leaving the possibility that its namespace
> information may be determined by some other methods).
> 
> Norm, Paul, and Henry posted some thoughts on this, and none
> of us feel that the current wording is necessarily bad enough
> to be worth any change.  In particular, Norm doesn't agree with
> what Michael thinks should be the case.  Henry points out that
> HTML5 does "make use of" defining namespaces without the
> namespace spec mechanism.
> 
> Henry had some more (private) exchanges with Michael, and
> Henry will summarize the discussion for the WG.
> 
> ACTION to Henry: Summarize and provide current status of
> the discussion of this namespace potential erratum.
> 
> 
> 3. Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO
> 
> See also
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema
> 
> We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with
> approved errata).  After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E
> (only) to ISO.
> 
> Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David
> talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details.
> 
> It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes,
> but after checking with Michael, he found
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
> 
> which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3.
> 
> We discussed
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
> 
> 
> Henry figures we can just publish this document.
> 
> Loren believes the latest document includes everything,
> so the next step is to push it through the tool chain.
> 
> We will need a diff (or list of changes).
> Loren says the diff is already available.
> 
> We needed to consider whether any of the changes are normative
> and/or require a change to the test suite. After some discussion,
> we decided we should just create a PER.
> 
> We still need to:  Create the PER, i.e., XML Schema 1.1 Second Edition,
> and post (e.g., at http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2014/12/xschema11.html)
> for the WG to review.
> 
> ACTION to David: Consider how to further progress on this work item.
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> 
> 5.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
> 
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
> 
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 6.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> On 2015 June 30, we published our second XInclude 1.1 CR at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-xinclude-11-20150630/
> 
> This CR period runs through the end of August.
> 
> ACTION to Norm: Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1
> implementations and document them in our implementation report.
> 
> Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test suite per
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Apr/0000
> 
> Norm announces that he has one conforming implementation,
> the one in XML Calabash, and he is working on another.
> 
> Henry is seeing if Richard would implement it in his toolset.
> Norm says no more than an afternoon's work should be involved.
> 
> ACTION to Norm: Update the implementation report and test suite.
> 
> 
> 7. MicroXML
> 
> MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it.
> We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda.
> 
> 
> paul
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Sep/0014
> 
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