Re: Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 June 27

Dear all,

Please accept my regrets,

My proxy to the chair

Mohamed

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name> wrote:

>   We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
> June 27, from
>          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
>          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
>          15:30-16:00 UTC
>          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
>          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
> on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
> We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .
>
> See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
> and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
> email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.
>
> Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
> completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
> at the beginning of the call.
>
>
> Agenda
> ======
> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>
>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
>
> XML Core WG Charter
> -------------------
> The amended XML Core WG charter that allows us to work on
> XInclude 1.1 is currently out for AC review.  Please get
> your AC rep to complete the review.  The call for review is at
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2012AprJun/0059
>
>
> Fall TPAC
> ---------
> There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006
>
> We have signed up to have a WG f2f there.
>
> Likely to attend:  Norm, Liam, Henry, Jirka, Mohamed
> Not likely to attend:  Glenn, Paul, John, Daniel
>
>
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
> handling.  Done:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
>
> Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
> Henry's tests are at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
> You need to look at the README and README2 files there.
>
> The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
> Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.
>
> ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that
> it should support styling XML with CSS.
>
>
> issues with the Polyglot draft
> ------------------------------
> Henry sent email with various potential issues at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037
>
> Polyglot draft: BOM
> -------------------
> We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use of the
> UTF-8 BOM.
>
> [P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding
>
> Henry filed an issue against Polyglot about the BOM:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0000
>
> Someone pushed back saying that the BOM is more robust than
> the meta as a way of signaling UTF-8, so we shouldn't make
> meta the preferred way of doing it.  The proposed compromise
> is that neither would be listed as preferred.
>
> We're okay with that compromise.
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Accept the compromise.
>
>
> Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base
> --------------------------------------
> See the minutes at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
> for the discussion.
>
> Henry has drafted two issues regarding xml:space and xml:base in
> the Polyglot draft and HTML5 for WG review; see
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0001
>
> Norm thinks Henry's draft is fine.  Let's submit it and
> see what happens.
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Submit his comments on xml:space and xml:base.
>
>
> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
>
>
> 4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
>
>
> 5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
>
> We have started discussions at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jun/thread#msg6
>
> So far, we have provisional consensus as follows:
>
> * To add a fragid attribute.
>
> * Some wanted to deprecate xpointer, others didn't, though in either
>   case it's less a technical issue than "political".
>
> * If both xpointer and fragid are specified, they should be identical.
>   If not, some wanted to make this some kind of error, but not fatal
>   and not something that triggered fallback.  Others didn't feel it
>   needed to be an error, but again, that's less a technical issue than
>   "political".
>
>   If both xpointer and fragid are specified, when parse=xml, the value
>   of xpointer should be used; if parse is not xml, the value of fragid
>   should be used.
>
> *  We decided to change @parse to allow other values (besides xml and
> text).
>    The effects of other values are implementation dependent, and
> unrecogized
>    values are a "recoverable error" which causes fallback.
>
> *  In XInclude 1.0, we define "resource errors" which cause fallback.  Now
>    that we have something other than a resource error that we want to cause
>    fallback, we are going to change the terminology throughout the spec for
>    errors that cause fallback (resource error -> recoverable error).
>
> Regarding what attributes get copied and how, we appear to lean
> toward copying only namespace qualified attributes.  If we do this,
> we still need to decide what to do about multiple rooted inclusions
> and what to do when both the xinclude and the root included element
> have the same attribute specified.  Regarding multiple rootedness,
> our options include:
>
> 1.  give up on any attribute copying unless the inclusion
>      is single-rooted.
>
> 2.  do all attribute copying to all top-level elements in
>      the inclusion and let the application deal with multiple
>      identical xml:id's.
>
> 3.  do all attribute copying to all top-level elements in the
>      inclusion except if there is more than one top-level element:
>    a.  don't copy xml:id to any of them
>    b.  only copy xml:id to the first in document order.
>
> Regarding attribute conflicts, Jirka and Liam seemed to think
> the xinclude value should win, and John--after a pause--appeared
> to agree.
>
> ACTION to others, esp. Norm, Henry, Daniel:  Think about the
> XInclude 1.1 issues discussed above and comment.
>
>
> 6.  XML Model
>
> Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
> standard.  One can buy it at
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793
>
> He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
> to be published for free.
>
> We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
> our note to reference it.
>
> Jirka reported that the ISO process for making the ISO version
> free is a bit involved.  WG1 has to recommend to SC34 that the
> spec be made public.  This should happen at a June 2012 meeting.
> Then there is a 60 day ballot in SC34, then there is a 60 day
> ballot at the JTC1 level.  If all goes well, ISO/IEC 19757-11
> could be published at the ITTF page in late 2012.
>
> So it doesn't look like we'd be updating our XML Model WG Note
> before 2013.
>
>
> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jun/0014
>
>
>


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