Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 June 13

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
June 13, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:30-16:00 UTC
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Regrets from Henry.


Agenda
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1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

XML Core WG Charter
-------------------
The amended XML Core WG charter that allows us to work on
XInclude 1.1 is currently out for AC review.  Please get
your AC rep to complete the review.  The call for review is at
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2012AprJun/0059


Fall TPAC
---------
There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006

We have signed up to have a WG f2f there.

Likely to attend:  Norm, Liam, Henry, Jirka, Mohamed
Not likely to attend:  Glenn, Paul, John, Daniel


xml-stylesheet and HTML5
------------------------
Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
handling.  Done:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689

Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
Henry's tests are at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
You need to look at the README and README2 files there.

The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.

ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that
it should support styling XML with CSS.


issues with the Polyglot draft
------------------------------
Henry sent email with various potential issues at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037

Polyglot draft: BOM
-------------------
We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use of the 
UTF-8 BOM.

[P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding

Henry filed an issue against Polyglot about the BOM:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0000

Someone pushed back saying that the BOM is more robust than
the meta as a way of signaling UTF-8, so we shouldn't make
meta the preferred way of doing it.  The proposed compromise
is that neither would be listed as preferred.

We're okay with that compromise.

ACTION to Henry:  Accept the compromise.


Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base
--------------------------------------
See the minutes at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
for the discussion.

Henry has drafted two issues regarding xml:space and xml:base in
the Polyglot draft and HTML5 for WG review; see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0001

Norm thinks Henry's draft is fine.  Let's submit it and
see what happens.

ACTION to Henry:  Submit his comments on xml:space and xml:base.


3.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/


4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):

* XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
* XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)

but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.


5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

On 2012 February 14, we published
XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
summarizing the requirements and use cases for possible
enhancements to XInclude addressing the issues:

* @xpointer when parse="text"
* copying attributes from the xinclude element to the root
   included element

We did get mostly positive feedback from Chris Lilley at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-xinclude-comments/2012Feb/0000

Norm has posted something to the DocBook TC:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201202/msg00001.html

Norm nudged the DocBook mailing list again
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201204/msg00000.html
and did publish this a few weeks ago:
http://norman.walsh.name/2012/02/20/xinclude11

Jirka gave some more feedback at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201204/msg00002.html
and also included it at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0002

Daniel raised a concern about there possibly not being a root
included element at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0010
and Jirka responded at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0011
We will need to consider this issue when we draft the spec.

An updated charter is being reviewed by the AC.
We don't expect any pushback, but in practice it will
probably take a couple months before we really have a
new charter.

Meanwhile we could work on an XInclude 1.1 draft, but
we couldn't publish it until we have our new charter.

Norm is willing to continue to be editor of XInclude 1.1.

We will start working on a draft over the next couple months
by which time we should have a new charter and be able to
publish.

ACTION to Norm:  Send out emails on the key XInclude 1.1 issues.


6.  XML Model

Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
standard.  One can buy it at
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793 


He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
to be published for free.

We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
our note to reference it.

Jirka reported that the ISO process for making the ISO version
free is a bit involved.  WG1 has to recommend to SC34 that the
spec be made public.  This should happen at a June 2012 meeting.
Then there is a 60 day ballot in SC34, then there is a 60 day
ballot at the JTC1 level.  If all goes well, ISO/IEC 19757-11
could be published at the ITTF page in late 2012.

So it doesn't look like we'd be updating our XML Model WG Note
before 2013.


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0018