Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2011 November 16

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
November 16, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:30-16:00 UTC 
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK 
          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe 
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Agenda
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1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

The minutes from the TPAC f2f are at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0004


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

Schedule of telcons
-------------------
We plan to have telcons on:
Nov 30
Dec 14
Jan 11

No telcon on December 28.


xml-stylesheet and HTML5
------------------------
Henry and Paul met with Anne van Kesteren at the TPAC f2f
(see minutes).

Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
handling.  Done:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689

HT: I have an *xhtml* doc with an xml-stylesheet PI with type=text/xsl.
Does the HTML5 specs cover this case? 

ACTION to Henry: Consider asking the above question of the HTML5 WG
after doing some research to determine what does currently happen.

HT: Section 5.5.3 doesn't appear to distinguish between xhtml and 
non-xhtml xml documents.  The spec does not make it obvious what 
should happen for non-xhtml xml documents.

ACTION to Henry:  Think about the above statement and determine
if we need to file a bug report or ask a question about it.


Extending XInclude
------------------
Henry, Paul, Liam, Murray discussed this at the f2f (see minutes).

Those present generally liked the idea of extending xinclude to copy
attributes on the xinclude element down to the root included element,
but we didn't agree on details.

Some issues include:

1.  exactly what attributes to copy?  Henry and Liam preferred to copy
un-prefixed attributes (except those in the xinclude spec) too.

2.  what to do about attribute conflict (error or one or the other
wins).

3.  whether we should "log" additions (e.g., via an attribute that says
what attributes were added).

4.  whether we should have some way for targets to say whether they
can be xincluded and/or, when included, have attributes added.

We had a discussion about xinclude being like img/@src rather than
a/@href in that xincluding things is basically "stealing" them.

We will continue this discussion in the WG.

3023-bis
--------
Chris Lilley sent email that Paul forwarded at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0007

I'll be asking Henry what he makes of this.


3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata

We are creating an XML 1.0 6th Edition and XML 1.1 3rd (or
perhaps 6th) Edition.

ACTION to John:  Update the XML sources for XML 1.0 and 1.1
to reflect any errata and the LEIRI reference.

On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.


4.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 


5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
   http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
   and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.


6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We had planned to issue the following spec editions referencing LEIRIs:

* XML 1.0 6th Edition
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition
* XInclude 3rd Edition

We continue to wait to see what might happen with IRIbis.


7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id


8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base


9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1


10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

We are creating an XInclude 3rd Edition.

ACTION to Paul:  Update the XML sources for Xinclude to reflect 
any errata and the LEIRI reference.

On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.

XInclude @xpointer when parse="text"
------------------------------------
Henry, Paul, Liam, Murray discussed this at the f2f (see minutes).

Previous email discussion at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Oct/thread.ht
ml#msg46

We seem to have three choices:

1.  allow use of the @xpointer attribute when parse=text
2.  add a new "@textptr" attribute to use when parse=text
3.  add a new "@fragid" attribute to use in all cases and possibly
    deprecate the @xpointer attribute

The assembled group was generally positive about working on a solution
of some sort.  It felt like the "right" solution if we could time-travel
backwards would be #3, the easiest spec change was to #2, though some 
of us felt that #1 was the best choice at the present.

We will continue this discussion in the WG.


11.  Associating Stylesheets.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss

AssocSS 2nd Ed is now a Recommendation at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-stylesheet-20101028/


12.  xml-model

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas

The Second Edition has been published as a WG Note at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-xml-model-20110811/


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Oct/0025

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