- From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
- Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:02:36 -0500
- To: <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, February 8, from 08:00-09:00 Pacific time aka 11:00-12:00 Eastern time aka 16:00-17:00 UTC 16:00-17:00 in Ireland and the UK 17:00-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe 21:30-22:30 in most of India on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#. We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 . See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents and other information. If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon. Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it at the beginning of the call. Agenda ====== 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments, or corrections ready by the beginning of the call). 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews. We are planning a f2f at the Technical Plenary 27 Feb-3 March 2006 in Cannes, France. The XML Core WG is currently scheduled to meet Thursday and Friday, March 2-3 of that week. TP2006 registration is open until 17 February 2006: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TP2006/ The TP Week overview page is at http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html Expected: Paul, Norm, Daniel, Richard, Philippe 2b. IRI wording in xml:base et al. Chris Lilley asks about xml:base and IRI: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2005Oct/0004 Norm thinks we should change the bib ref from 2986 to 3986. Section 3.1 should say any xml:base should first have spaces escaped to %20 and then have the IRI changed to a URI per 3987. We should have uniform language for XLink 1.1, XLink 1.0, xml:base, xinclude, XML 1.0, and XML 1.1 (as errata for all but XLink 1.1). There is some question as to whether we should bother to make an erratum for XLink 1.0, but we did not resolve this. We basically want to put the text that is in XLink 1.1 into the other specs. We talked about pulling the necessary wording into a normative appendix in XML 1.0 3rd Ed and XML 1.1 (as errata in both cases). Then we could reference that appendix in xml:base, XInclude, etc. We also said we could just make it section 4.2.3. As long as it is referenceable by other specs. Francois sent updated suggestions at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jan/0016 (ignore the "System identifiers (and other XML strings..." sentence at the beginning.) This will go into XLink 1.1 as a separate section. Then we can do it as an erratum for XML 1.0 and 1.1. Then we would produce XML 1.0 4th Ed and 1.1 2nd Ed. XInclude and xml:base (and probably NS 1.1) we do errata pointing them to the new editions of XML or if we're in a bigger hurry, errata quoting the whole text. (We don't want to point the lower specs to XLink.) ACTION to Richard: Look at this wrt putting into NS 1.1. We do have a suggestion from Murata-san at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2005Dec/0000 that we process such an erratum against NS 1.0. We're not sure what we think about this yet. 3. XLink update. The LC WD of XLink 1.1 has been published: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xlink11-20050707/ We have comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2005JulSep/ and a DoC at http://www.w3.org/XML/2005/xlink11/lc-status/status-report.html When Norm returns, we need to have an updated status report clearly showing all threads closed. We also need a DoC showing all threads that were closed without acceptance by the commentor. Paul sent a draft CR request at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jan/0019 Norm has sent out the latest CR-ready draft at http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/ Our latest plan for XLink is to shoot for a CR call on February 16 or 17 and then publish on the 20th. We still have some comments that need final responses. We hope to have that done during the next week and to have all DoCs and drafts updated (by Norm who is out until the 13th) by the 15th when we will vote to go to CR. Thread 19--Schema issues ------------------------ Comments on the schema for xlink. Henry thought about this and decided the commentor is wrong and sent a reply. However, the commentor didn't agree. Henry replied again at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0096 We still need to close this thread. ***** Re: XLink 1.1: Charmod conformance ---------------------------------- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0048 Björn says XLink 1.1 should NFC-normalize IRIs. Richard replied at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0070 Bjoern replied at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0075 and Richard re-replied at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0089 and the thread ends there (as of the writing of this agenda). We still need to close this thread. ***** "URI reference" "checking" -------------------------- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0060 Norm will strike the "because it's impractical" wording and replace it with a note that says checking isn't required. Henry replied to Bjoern's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0071 Bjoern was unsatisfied at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0081 Henry re-replied at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0083 and the thread ends there (as of the writing of this agenda). Henry's penultimate email asked if this should generate an official objection (which question was never answered), so we can handle this thread the same as the others in this category (which I assume will be to generate an official objection). Henry asks at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Feb/0003 if the WG wants to add a note that [XLink] applications that detect an error should not recover silently. We still need to close this thread. ***** 5.4 "URI reference" unclear --------------------------- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0064 The commentors want us to use the newer (3986) term "Relative Reference" in place of "relative URI". Paul declined at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0077 but the commentor and several others disagreed. Paul is now thinking we could use the new term with a note in XLink 1.1 equating it to the older term. ACTION to Norm: Update the draft by changing: If the value of the href attribute is a relative URI, or results in a relative URI after escaping to: If the value of the href attribute is a relative reference (as defined in [RFC 3986], also known as "relative URI" in earlier RFCs), or results in a relative reference after escaping, its absolute version must be computed by the method of [XML Base] before use. Paul informed commentors of our latest decisions at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0094 requesting reactions before Feb 15. One of the three commentors involved he was satisfied (no response from the other two as of this writing). The above actions close this thread. "XML document" undefined ------------------------ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0067 We now think the issue is whether a linkbase can be anything that can be converted into an infoset or does it have to be an XML document. We just say "xml documents" in XInclude. Since this wording is in XLink 1.0, we will leave it as is. Norm sent email to the commentor pointing to XInclude: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JanMar/0093 but there has been no response as of this writing. We still need to close this thread.****** 4. XML errata. The published 1.0 errata document is [8], the published 1.1 errata document is [9], and the new (public) Potential Errata (PE) document is [7]. ACTION to Francois: Update the PE document including issues raised on public-xml-testsuite@w3.org. JohnC did a scan for MUST/SHOULD and reported at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2005Oct/0015 John thought most of the mays were not official mays. This is now PE 148. ACTION to Henry [due Jan 31]: Review the MAYs again and create a marked up version with changes. 5. Namespaces in XML. Richard suggested we take NS 1.1 and revert the two substantive changes (IRI and undeclared namespaces) to create NS 1.0 2nd Ed. The WG has consensus to do that, and we got approval from the team to do so. Ongoing ACTION to Richard: Produce a draft for NS1.0 2nd Ed. We note that the IRI spec is now finished-RFC 3987-so we have to issue an erratum for NS 1.1 for this. We discussed some details of this under the XLink discussion: http://www.w3.org/XML/2005/02/xml-f2f-20050303-minutes.htm#xlink Briefly, 3987 does have some wording (the "MAY" paragraph) about what used to be called unwise characters. For the NS 1.1 erratum, the MAY paragraph doesn't apply since namespace names cannot have the unwise characters. (The MAY paragraph will be needed for XML 1.* system identifiers.) ACTION to Richard: Process an erratum to NS 1.1 to refer to RFC 3987: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt There is a namespace PE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2005Dec/0001 Richard's suggested resolutions are at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2005Dec/0002 CONSENSUS with Richard's suggested resolutions. These would be errata to both NS 1.0 and 1.1. ACTION to Richard: Update the NS PE doc and Errata documents. 6. Xinclude Rec was published 2004 December 30 at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xinclude-20041220/ Our XInclude potential errata document is at: http://www.w3.org/XML/2005/01/proposed-xinclude-errata Daniel has updated the Errata document at http://www.w3.org/2004/12/xinclude-errata 7. xml:id is a Recommendation, published 2005 Sept 9: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-xml-id-20050909/ Robin Berjon asked a question about transition strategies that we should discuss--see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jan/0049 8. Associating stylesheets--awaiting TAG action. Henry reports that the HTML CG has been discussing this for a while. They are developing a draft statement of the issue, and Chris Lilley will raise this at the XML CG. Chris started the discussion on the XML CG list--see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-cg/2005Jul/thread.html#15 The XML CG will continue to discuss it for a while. 9. C14N is listed in our charter: Canonical XML version 1.1 The work on xml:id uncovered some inconsistencies in Canonical XML version 1.0 (see xml:id CR, Appendix C, "Impacts on Other Standards"). The Working Group will produce a new version of Canonical XML to address those inconsistencies, as well as others that might be discovered at a later stage. We have CONSENSUS that we have been chartered to do a 1.1 and that we should not try to do this as an erratum. We are not sure how best to do this as a 1.1. We should try to elaborate the possible ways of handling this and ask the C14N community how best to go about this. For example, if we create a new namespace for C14N 1.1, what do we say the old namespace means? We'd like to avoid the flak we are getting for XML 1.1. We should probably use the existing mailing list w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org to gather opinions. Glenn posted an email to w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org explaining we are doing a 1.1 and asking for how we can minimize disruption: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2005Dec/0001 Glenn summarized that discussion at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jan/0012 The email includes a discussion on whether an erratum to C14N 1.0 or a C14N 1.1 would be less disruptive. There was no consensus among the discussants of this thread. The XML Core WG has consensus to stick with a C14N 1.1 as chartered. Henry points out we could produce a 1.1 and use the old identifier. But Norm doesn't think we can do that. We seem to be ready to produce a first WD of C14N 1.1. ACTION to Glenn: Produce an actual first editor's draft of C14N 1.1. 10. Henry added a "forking QNames" item: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2005Nov/0000 We had some discussion last week. Norm argues that we should object to the use of the QName syntax for things that aren't QNames. He also objects to the invention of a new mechanism for declaring things that look like namespaces when they aren't really. Norm is still trying to understand whether there is an issue yet, and he needs to wait until they publish a document to be sure. ACTION to Norm: Raise this concern at the TAG level at the appropriate time. 11. Henry raises that RFC 3023 is out of date and the draft replacement has expired. Henry says there is a new draft expected soon (Murata-san will send something to Chris to publish soon). Chris is still hoping that he and Murata will be able to publish a new ID for 3023bis soon. [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Feb/0001 [7] http://www.w3.org/XML/2004/02/proposed-xml10-3e-and-xml11-errata.html [8] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V10-3e-errata [9] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V11-1e-errata
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