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ARIA support in HTML & XML-based MLs: a call for consensus

From: T.V Raman <raman@google.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:22:41 -0700
Message-ID: <18199.6097.700864.451662@retriever.corp.google.com>
To: oedipus@hicom.net
Cc: ian@hixie.ch, public-html@w3.org, public-xhtml2@w3.org, www-svg@w3.org, wai-xtech@w3.org

Gregory -- IanH  already said this in a separate note, but let's
not stretch things too far with respect to what ARIA can and
cannot do, what it might be appropriate for and  completely
unsuitable for.

ARIA is a solution for legacy markup --- I dont think it will get
you far with respect to the other things you speculate upon.

Gregory J. Rosmaita writes:
 > aloha!
 > can we agree upon at least one thing -- that it is essential that ARIA 
 > be supported not only as the solution for today, but for tomorrow, as 
 > well?
 > ARIA needs to be fully integratable with HTML, but it is also essential 
 > to providing meaningful, semantically rich information to users of 
 > XML-based languages/dialogs such as MathML, DAISY (the internationally 
 > agreed-upon, XML derived, digital talking book spec - 
 > http://www.daisy.org/), 
 > and any specialized content markup (such as CellML, a means of expressing 
 > biological ontologies such as gene ontology, as well as validating the 
 > models against which standards of unit balance and biophysical constrains 
 > such as conservation of mass, charge, energy. etc. can be expressed - 
 > http://www.cellml.org/) not to mention Complex Document Formats (such as 
 > a digital talking book with SVG illustrations and embedded SMIL switches)
 > it isn't a trivial question which needs to be resolved, but a fundamental
 > one -- how can something that enhances a non-extensible language as well 
 > as providing meaningful, interactive access to an extensible language or 
 > custom dialect, be incorporated into an internationally recognized 
 > standard, such as those which the W3C produces under the name of 
 > "Technical Recommendations"?
 > personally, i don't care what delimiter is used, as long as it provides 
 > for the integration of ARIA support into both extensible and 
 > non-extensible markup languages -- if the colon isn't 
 > "politically/practically" correct, and the hyphen slash dash breaks 
 > known extensible languages/dialects, then why not the underscore?  it
 > actually isn't THAT unusual in the wild -- think "_DEFANGED.mp3"
 > so whatever and whomever decides what piece of punctuation works, please
 > remember that access to general knowledge and communication, as well as 
 > access to specialized knowledge domains (math, music, 
 > SVG-to-tactile-graphics on a thermal tablet, enhanced by SMIL integration
 > so that the SVG presentation could change over time to represent the 
 > original "peak" range of the american grey wolf, to that after 100 years 
 > of european contact with north america, to that in 1900, to that in 2000)
 > are equally accessible to all, no matter what the modality in which they 
 > are presented, and, foremost, that there is a standardized means of 
 > providing such access today AND tomorrow: ARIA
 > gregory.
 > --------------------------------------------------------------
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 > focus.                                           -- Mark Twain
 > --------------------------------------------------------------
 > Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus@hicom.net
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