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Re: WebID Minutes - Re: Last WebID XG teleconf: Tuesday 10 January 2012

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:14:57 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhJ1rNy4wNEmtDUp0sFF0mdcJwzZ=6_9G41MPv=pBZmNVg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Cc: WebID XG <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
On 10 January 2012 18:49, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
> Thanks Melvin.
> So this was a very helpful meeting, but we forgot to scribe.  Some bribes of what was talked about is here:
> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-webid-minutes.html
> But we need to fill in the rest for those who could not attend. Please help me fill out pieces I missed.
> 1. Coralie Mercier joined
>  Coralie helped give us an overview of our move to the Community Group.
>  + we keep our wiki as it is
>  + we keep the same mailing list name
>  + we get all the new features of community groups (such as microblogging 😲 ! )
>  + we even retain all the W3C XG support, so Caralie can still help us.
>  - we will all have to sign in again whether we are members or not
>   (because we have to sign that something about patents)
> 2. e-mail volume
>  It was mentioned that some people don't participate because of the volume of messages. They have a lot of knowledge
> but have a lot of other priorities. So we need if possible to give them space to participate.
>  So I suggested the following
>  1. Rate reduction: never post more than one e-mail per hour, or wait 1 or 2 hours before responding.
>  2. Increase quality:
>   + try to move towards testable issues, with use cases, and carefully laid out examples
>   + try to remove as much that is not essential to the discussion, for short understandable posts
>   + expressing things in clear language, using well understood language form w3c or ietf
>   + think abut english
>  => Given the rate reduction above and general acceptance of moving towards testable issues, this should allow
> people who are perhaps better at building consensus to join the conversation.
>  (I myself posted way too quickly yesterday. It was fun, but we are going to loose contributors that way)
> 3. Adding a security section to the spec
>  A bit along the lines of the OpenID one
>   http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html#security_considerations
>  Other good examples?
>  We could discuss some of the issues Peter Williams has brought up such as denial of service attacks.
> 4. Tim Berners Lee joined
>  Tim said a lot and I forgot a lot of what he said. So please help me fill this in, and I may have misremembered
>  I asked what needs to be done to get towards a standard.
>  Tim mentioned the writing of a charter would help. A full WG would:
>    - need to develop interoperable test suites
>    - we should make even clearer how WebID is meant to work with existing browsers
>    - different webid profiles
>    - ...
>  There is nothing stopping us working on this before. The writing of a chatter would then get us feedback.
> 5. Mike Jones said he would work on a first version of the charter
> 6. We chatted with Wendy Seltzer on irc who just joined the W3C.
>  http://wendy.seltzer.org/
>  She has worked with TOR and Berkman centre.
> 7. We discussed some plans on how we are going to take over the word. But those are secret. 😁

That's a pretty good wrapup, henry.

Some time was also spent discussing the possible overlap between browserid.

IIRC alternate authentication methods such as oauth / openid / gpg we
touched on.

I guess the new CG will be more informal, tho there will be effort put
into finishing the spec and creating a high quality charter for
potential next steps.  Tim pointed out that there are occasions on
which the purpose of an XG is to get the charter for a WG up to a very
good standard.

> Henry
> On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:28, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>> On 10 January 2012 15:33, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
>>> The conf call number is the same as the one below but with the new extension
>>>       extension:    26632
>>> Please join us on IRC. Coralie Mercier should be joining us 10 minutes into the talk to help us understand the transition.
>> Thank Henry for chairing, and for all the effort and work you've put
>> on over the last year.
>> Look forward to continuing progress in the Community Group.
>>> Henry
>>> On 10 Jan 2012, at 14:59, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>> Just a reminder ... the final telecon of the XG will be in 1 hour ...
>>>> On 6 January 2012 15:16, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
>>>>> This is our last meeting as an XG. We will it seems continue as a Community Group after this.
>>>>> - Meeting Agenda:
>>>>> + Improvements to the spec
>>>>>   Over the weekend I will add all the improvements suggested over the last month to the spec and the ontology
>>>>>   So we can have some quick feedback on this
>>>>> + Question: should RDFa be reduced from MUST to nice to have until the dust settles?
>>>>> + What needs to be done on closing the XG?
>>>>> + What remains to be done before we can finalise the spec?
>>>>>       Time: 1500 UTC
>>>>>       W3C Zakim bridge, telecon code: WEBID (93243)
>>>>>       SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org
>>>>>       Phone US: +1.617.761.6200
>>>>>       Phone UK: +44.203.318.0479
>>>>>       Phone FR: +
>>>>>       irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#webid
>>>>>       Duration: 60 minutes
>>>>> For the time in all time zones see:
>>>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=10&year=2012&hour=15&min=00&sec=0&p1=0
>>>>> I am not sure if we can get the zakim slot at that time. Perhaps we should meet on Skype otherwise. I'll send an update later.
>>>>> The time was decided on this doodle http://www.doodle.com/3h46cpzbhackiikx
>>>>> Henry
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
Received on Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:15:33 UTC

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