- From: Oliver Mueller <oli.mueller@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:02:29 +0200
- To: "Oberle, Daniel" <d.oberle@sap.com>
- Cc: "Blackwell, Ken" <Ken.Blackwell@ca.com>, "public-xg-usdl@w3.org" <public-xg-usdl@w3.org>
Hi everybody, I agree, that attributes such as mailbox size, supported devices etc. (i.e. non-functional attributes, attributes that represent constraints over some functionality) should reside in the service level module. However, the actual functionality (What does the service do? In this case: transmitting textual messages), in my opinion, should stay in the functional module. Best regards Oliver --- Dr. Oliver Müller Assistant Professor at the Hilti Chair of Business Process Management University of Liechtenstein Institute for Information Systems Fürst-Franz-Josef-Strasse, 9490 Vaduz, Liechtenstein Phone +423 265 11 11, Direct +423 265 13 23 oliver.mueller@uni.li, www.uni.li 2011/3/31 Oberle, Daniel <d.oberle@sap.com>: > Dear all, > > Torsten just made me aware that the service level module is the better place > for representing such information. That means we look at the mailbox size as > a specific service level. But you will run in comparable problems wrt > variant mgmt although there is a specific mechanism called “base extension” > for this module. > > > > Best > > Daniel > > > > From: public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org] > On Behalf Of Oberle, Daniel > Sent: Donnerstag, 31. März 2011 09:56 > To: Blackwell, Ken; public-xg-usdl@w3.org > > Subject: RE: [public-xg-usdl] <none> > > > > Dear Ken, > > yes makes sense and I got the idea. One could represent such information as > “capabilities” in the functional module. This would look something like > > > > <Service> > > … > > <Name>Gmail</Name> > > … > > <FunctionalElements> > > <Capabilities> > > <Capability> > > <Name>1GB Mailbox size</Name> > > … > > </Capability> > > <Capability> > > <Name>10 preprocessing rules</Name> > > … > > </Capability> > > > > Although structured and “at the right place”, this solution is of course > quite “loose” since it basically boils down to free text hindering > comparability. > > The ideal would be domain-specific extensions of the language which are at > the heart of variant management (cf. other threads in the mailinglist). > Attributes such as mailbox size then should become part of the language > looking something like this > > > > <Service> > > … > > <Name>Gmail</Name> > > … > > <FunctionalElements> > > <Capabilities> > > <Mailbox > > > <size>1 </size> > > <unit>GB</unit> > > … > > > > I assume the latter would be the preferred solution for you since > comparisons are facilitated? > > The solution we proposed for variant management would allow users or some > “consortium” to extend USDL via tool support incl. government. > > > > Best regards, > > Daniel > > > > > > > > From: Blackwell, Ken [mailto:Ken.Blackwell@ca.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 22. März 2011 21:44 > To: Oberle, Daniel; public-xg-usdl@w3.org > Subject: RE: [public-xg-usdl] <none> > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > Sorry to be slow in responding. Have been slow in everything lately as am > very busy. > > > > To your question, we generally think of cloud services at a higher level > than IaaS. > > While nothing should preclude a service comparison at a lower level, we > think the urgent problem is much higher. > > > > So, rather than thinking of EC2, it might be most constructive to consider > Gmail vs. Yahoo Mail vs HotMail as our use case. > > > > Some attributes of functional comparability might be: > > 1) Total mailbox size > > 2) Number of configurable preprocessing rules > > 3) Integrations with Facebook and other social media > > 4) Browsers supported > > 5) Mobile devices supported > > 6) Min/Max/Average times from message received by the service until it > shows in the inbox > > 7) Ability to block an incoming address > > 8) Web service APIs available for integrations with other apps > > 9) … > > > > Obviously most of these are specific to a particular class of service > (Email), but USDL should have the ability to embed custom metadata > attributes and for particular types of services (email, ERP, Payments > processing, whatever) the industry can then coalesce around common > attributes for a specific type of service based on industry specific > standards, whether formal or defacto. > > > > Make sense? > > > > Ken Blackwell > VP & Chief Architect, Service Assurance > > CA Technologies > Tel: +1 203-733-5381 > Ken.Blackwell@ca.com > > > > From: public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org] > On Behalf Of Oberle, Daniel > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:32 AM > To: public-xg-usdl@w3.org > Subject: RE: [public-xg-usdl] <none> > > > > Dear Ken, > > thanks a lot for your explanation. As mentioned yesterday in the telco I > deem this use case as one out of two required “implementations” of USDL for > continuing down the path of W3C. > > > > I got a good high-level idea out of your explanations so far. I’d be > interested in a concrete example, however. Say Service A is amazon’s EC2 and > Service B is a similar one by a competitor. As you have written below you > would like to compare if they are functionally similar. So what would you > consider “functional” in the case of amazon EC2? > > > > Best regards, > > Daniel > > > > From: public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-usdl-request@w3.org] > On Behalf Of Blackwell, Ken > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. März 2011 21:21 > To: public-xg-usdl@w3.org > Subject: [public-xg-usdl] <none> > > > > Hi All, > > I have had on my list for some time now to email the group some information > and perspectives from IT management point of view. Finally cleared a few > days on my calendar to concentrate on this and my book chapter... > > First, some background. CA Technologies is in the system management > encompassing system monitoring, automation, security, and a host of other > domains. We are investing very heavily in the cloud space across all of our > domains. One of the most important new developments from CA is what we call > Cloud Commons and the Service Measurement Index or SMI. > > You can read all about it at: > http://www.cloudcommons.com/servicemeasurementindex/-/asset_publisher/M69c/content/how-smi-scores-are-calculated-and-what-they-mean?redirect=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cloudcommons.com%2fservicemeasurementindex%3fp_p_id%3d101_INSTANCE_M69c%26p_p_lifecycle%3d0%26p_p_state%3dnormal%26p_p_mode%3dview%26p_p_col_id%3dcolumn-2%26p_p_col_count%3d1 > > The Clould Service Measurement Initiative Consortium, lead by Carnegie > Mellon University in Silicon Valley has taken ownership of this proposed > standard so it is not unique to CA. > > So what is SMI? It is a set of business-relevant Key Performance Indicators > (KPI's) that provides a standardized method for measuring and comparing > business services. It looks at things like performance, reliability, cost, > and other quality metrics to provide an overall rating of the service so > that two similar services can be compared. > > The inputs to Cloud Commons SMI is observed, either human or machine, KPI > data that is entered by the community. The idea is to replicate for cloudl > service ratings what Amazon has done for rating products on its website. > Over time, let the community coalese around an opinion of a service based on > real-world observations. > The community can then go to Cloud Commons and look at community ratings to > decide which of set of "similar" servcies best suites their needs for a > particular purpose. > > And that is the rub; that word "similar". I have complained for some time > that we are focused on grading two services, say A and B, to compare their > fitness for a particular business purpose based on observations of IT > metrics, but we have not addressed the the upfront problem of determining if > A and B are functionally "similar". > We have tended to gloss over that question and focus on what we do well > which is monitoring and measuring IT metrics. > > After complaining about this problem for some time internally to CA, I was > asked by our CTO to join the USDL effort to help work towards a solution... > > I am going to be focused on providing feedback to this team on the > comparability aspects of services defined in USDL. This is related to > searching which is already identified as an important aspect of USDL. > Ideally, i would like to come up with a way to augment the SMI score with a > something like a Service Equivalency Index that can advise the consumer of > how similar two services are. > > I hope this provides some context and a complimentary point of view to the > group. My availability to focus on this effort varies greatly from week to > week, so I probably won't be as consistent as I would like, but I'm always > monitoring the effort and happy to hear your feedback to the ideas above. > > Regards, > > Ken Blackwell > VP & Chief Archtiect > Service Assurance Business Unit > CA Technologies > +1 (203) 733-5381 > >
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