Re: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings

I'm happy (well happy falls within your definition of pushing the  
reasonable boundary) to do the 11pm  (Canberra time, it's 1pm Zulu)  
meeting this week.  And I agree it seems that someone is always on the  
bad end of this deal.

Just to confuse matters a little bit, all us Australians are in  
Eastern Australia (Canberra and Hobart), but the times you put up are  
for Eastern Australia (we call it EST, but that's just gunna confuse  
things even more :-)  ) not Western Australia  ... and the conversion  
from west to east is later not earlier ... ahhhh!

I'm happy with a simple alternation of the meeting times (I'd just sat  
down and worked out a 3-way 8 hour rotation thingy, but Amit rightly  
pointed out that it was rubbish).  I'll do +1 for


> Period (a)
> UTC 20:00 - 21:00
> = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Eastern Australia
> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
> = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
> = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
> = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US
>
> Period (b)
> UTC 13:00 - 14:00
> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Australia
> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
> = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US


In 6 months we can move it around if better times work.


Michael






On 16/04/2009, at 8:33 , Kevin R. Page wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 13:20 -0700, John Graybeal wrote:
>> As I'm Western US, moving the second one to the 0800 - 1000 time slot
>> would be most helpful (means I only have to get up at 5 AM, not 3
>> AM).  I realize that may disadvantage Western Australia (what? no
>> Eastern Australia?), so I'll take what comes.
>
> Yes, apologies, I'd missed off Western US too. The
> participants/affiliation list doesn't make it particularly obvious  
> which
> timezone people are in.
>
> Applying the (somewhat arbitrary) "least unreasonable" hours of  
> 06:00 -
> 24:00, this leaves us with two small possible periods (below). If we
> alternated between them the pain would be shared relatively evenly,
> apart from Australia getting both an early and a late.
>
> My instinct would be to alternate between 21:00 and 13:00 UTC slots to
> make it mildly less painful for Australia while keeping within the
> periods, though personally I think this should be decided by those  
> worst
> affected - i.e. participants in Australia. They may prefer always  
> early,
> or always late.
>
> Or, entirely reasonably, that alternate weeks should be office hours  
> for
> Australia. At this juncture it's always going to be ~3am for  
> someone, so
> we probably want to abandon the periods proposed below and select a
> different set of "best" periods based on rotating and minimising who
> it's ~3am for. I'd imagine a 3-way rotation would work best.
>
>> From email headers it looks like all our Australian colleagues are in
> the Western Australian timezone. If we do have participants in Eastern
> Australia (2 hours earlier) period (a) won't be feasible within the
> "least unreasonable" constraints.
>
> In ~6 months when the Northern Hemisphere leaves daylight savings time
> and the Southern Hemisphere starts DST, period (a) will become better
> (less early for Australia, less late for Europe), and period (b)  
> worse!
>
> Any other timezones I've missed? ;)
>
>
> Period (a)
> UTC 20:00 - 21:00
> = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia
> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
> = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
> = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
> = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US
>
> Period (b)
> UTC 13:00 - 14:00
> = 23:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
> = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Kevin.
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Kevin R. Page wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 21:34 +0300, hornsby wrote:
>>>> just a quick addition, Finland is period (a) EET = 23:00 - 01:00
>>>> that's indeed pushing the "reasonable" boundaries :)
>>>
>>> Sorry Adrian, I overlooked EET!
>>>
>>> I tried to apply "least unreasonable" local hours of 06:00-24:00 to
>>> each
>>> timezone. Had I included EET the periods should have been:
>>>
>>> Period (a)
>>> UTC 20:00 - 21:00
>>> = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia
>>> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
>>> = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
>>> = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
>>> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
>>>
>>> Period (b)
>>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00
>>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
>>> = 13:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
>>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
>>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
>>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
>>>
>>> Which unfortunately is a shift for the worse in Australia.
>>>
>>> Other than this amendment the proposal stands.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> P.S. Of course I say this sitting in the UK, where we have an unfair
>>> historical advantage meaning we're rarely at the extremes of any
>>> timezone clash... sorry...
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kevin R. Page <krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>> To: public-xg-ssn@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings
>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:25:53 +0100
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Might I suggest we have a separate discussion/doodle for setting a
>>>> regular meeting slot, or pair of alternating meeting slots. I  
>>>> suspect
>>>> many of us can arrange our diaries around a regular time in the
>>>> future,
>>>> while diaries for the upcoming couple of weeks will already be
>>>> relatively full.
>>>>
>>>> Given the wide spread of timezones [1], I propose there are only a
>>>> couple of periods of the day that are reasonable for all involved.
>>>> And
>>>> I'm pushing the boundaries of "reasonable" here, as there certainly
>>>> isn't a time that'll be ideal for everyone. Please correct me if  
>>>> I've
>>>> got your timezone wrong!
>>>>
>>>> These are:
>>>>
>>>> Period (a)
>>>> UTC 20:00 - 22:00
>>>> = 06:00 - 08:00 +1 day, Western Australia
>>>> = 22:00 - 24:00, Central Europe
>>>> = 21:00 - 23:00, UK and Ireland
>>>> = 16:00 - 18:00, Eastern US
>>>>
>>>> Period (b)
>>>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00
>>>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
>>>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
>>>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
>>>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
>>>>
>>>> These are the *only* periods when it isn't the middle of the night
>>>> for
>>>> someone. I suggest we see if we can get these to work - if we can't
>>>> we'll have to alternate between times that some participants
>>>> definitely
>>>> won't be able to attend.
>>>>
>>>> I also note that the majority of *both* of these periods are
>>>> out-of-office-hours for Australia. This is not true for the other
>>>> timezones, where at least one of the periods is within office  
>>>> hours.
>>>>
>>>> I therefore propose we give our Australian colleagues the vote of:
>>>>
>>>> 1) alternating between an earlier and later slot both within period
>>>> (b)
>>>> (to accommodate the start of the working day in the US), or
>>>>
>>>> 2) alternating between a slot in period (a) and a slot in period  
>>>> (b),
>>>> with the option of restricting (a) to e.g. only 22:00 UTC, or
>>>>
>>>> 3) not feasible to always have the meeting out of hours in  
>>>> Australia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once a scheme is selected, we can doodle for days of the week/hour
>>>> slots
>>>> within the periods provided.
>>>>
>>>> I think this will allow us to choose the "least worst" regular
>>>> meeting
>>>> slot, where the out-of-hours inconvenience is spread as evenly as
>>>> possible amongst participants.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] from the participant list:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43337
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> kev
>>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> kev
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Kevin R. Page
>>> krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk      http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp
>>> Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia      University of Southampton, UK
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> --------------
>> John Graybeal   <mailto:graybeal@mbari.org>  -- 831-775-1956
>> Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute
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>>
>>
>
> Regards,
>
> kev
>
> -- 
> Kevin R. Page
> krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk      http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp
> Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia      University of Southampton, UK
>
>

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