- From: Monica Duke <m.duke@ukoln.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:23:30 +0000
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Hi everyone,
The minutes for the call on 3rd March are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/03-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
With apologies for lateness due to a couple mistakes I made in the process of getting these ready. Many thanks to Antoine and Emma for support. I've spotted a couple of typos which I can asked to be fixed. TomB there is an instance where I did not make out what you said and I put ??
Regards,
Monica
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
03 Mar 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
mduke, antoine, kcoyle, TomB?, rsinger, emma, jeff__,
GordonD, marcia, michaelp, edsu, uldis, AlexanderH, jar_,
pmurray, rayd, kefo, jodi, ww_
Regrets
Felixi, Lars
Chair
Emmanuelle
Scribe
monica
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Minutes
2. [6]Telcon For Particpants in Asia-Pacific
3. [7]Final Report Draft
* [8]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<TomB> Previous:
[9]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minut
es.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html
<scribe> Scribe: monica
<TomB> Scribenick: monica
<emma> sorry for being late
<ww_> RRSAgent: present: ww_
Minutes
PROPOSED: To accept
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html
ACCEPTED
emma: only 10 telcons left agenda now lists all the telcons with
chair and a proposed topic for each telcon
... would like to discuss this proposed schedule
... first introducing telcon for Asia participants - invites TomB to
introduce
Telcon for Particpants in Asia-Pacific
TomB: Monday or Tuesday depending on location
... 10 people expected no agenda topics suggested so far
<emma> TomB: looking for agenda ideas
<emma> ... other wise informal discussion
<emma> ... we don't have a scribe yet, late for the US
<marcia> Can we have two scribers -- we are not familiar with the
coming participants and not sure whether will be able to understand
them?
<emma> ... could be difficult to understand
emma: suggests during the meeting we should discuss the content of
the report
<antoine> +1
TomB: agrees
<uldis> marcia: re two scribes -- perhaps one of them from
Asia-Pacific region/timezone
Final Report Draft
emma: agenda proposes contents of report discussed in the upcoming
telcons
... someone to lead the discussion of the contents (each section)
... assuming we agree on contents
... we need to check we have owners for each section of the report
... owner could be doing aggregation or summarising
... some people are more comfortable with writing than others
... we need to have text in each section
emma: we can now review the list of telcons alongside the outline of
report contents
<kcoyle> emma - plan sounds good
emma: any comments?
<emma>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAss
ignments
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
emma: I am trying to clarify what we are asking owners to do - could
be writing or other tasks
<marcia> uldis: Not sure who will be there... looks like only 2-3
and maybe they need to speak.
<antoine> +1
<GordonD> +1
emma: according to schedule, next week's discussion will be data
issues led by Gordon
scribe: then will be discussion on problems and limitations, 2
telcons, led by karen
karen: agrees two telcons is a good idea
<GordonD> +1 for 2 slots for problems and limitations
emma: On 2011-03-31 discussion would be on LLD Benefits, owned by Ed
and Emma
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to confirm that Gordon for "library data
issues" next week means
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_BibData ...?
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_BibData
<antoine> no it is
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_
linked_data
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data
emma: 2011-04-27 discussion on use cases
TomB: ??
edsu: agrees on date
emma: invites others to join in benefits of LLD section
<rsinger> i'll join
<edsu> rsinger++
emma: 2011-04-07 UC report discussion
... previous discussion said there was too much to go in the report
from the clusters
... any volunteers for the job of aggregating use case clusters
... ?
... no volunteers yet
<scribe> ACTION: emma and ed to start curating a section on benefits
of LLD for libraries [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action06][CONTINUES]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action06
<emma> ACTION: emma, TomB, and antoine to send a call for finding an
owner of the UC deliverable [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action07
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to point out that
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_
linked_data is not linked to
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data
TomB: do we need to decide what to do with the contents of that
page?
Gordon: I thought what we agreed was that page would feed into
problems and limitations
... I would tease out limitations to feed into karen's work
karen: we need to think about a question as we go through this - who
is our audience?
... what motivated Gordon to write this was a need to educate some
audiences about realities in the library environment that they may
not be aware of
... there is not much of this in problems and limitations, we need
to decide how much background we give, which depends on who the
audience is
... librarians already understand some issues, others outside
library will not be aware of them
marcia: it would be useful to decide who the audience is
... the title of the group is library data, much thinking on big
libraries
<jar_> "long tail" also important, yes
marcia: principles of open bibliographic data is helpful
<rsinger> +1
karen: I think we have not yet defined what we mean by library data
... I have a short definition I can share - people may not agree
<antoine> cf use cases for "library data"
marcia: ??
emma: yes we need to think about scope of report
... 2011-04-14 discussion on available data and vocabulary - antoine
and jeff leading
<antoine>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.h
tml
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.html
<digikim_> sorry, seems like I can't join the phone conference (due
to being busy with other things currently) :-/
antoine: it is not about gathering vocabulary and datasets yet
... we tried to take into account what was said in the last call
... we wanted to say something about representative datasets
... use cases provide pointers to vocabs/datasets
<marcia> monica: what I was speaking was about non-academic and
national libraries. There are many informaiton centers, vertual
libraries, digital collections that are not from those MARC or ISBD
based. They produce more open bibliographic data.
antoine: people from other domains may be asking questions about the
LOD - the cloud does not say everything
... especially how people can contribute who are not from libraries
<marcia> Monica: the example I used is the National Science Digital
Library, which has very rich resource. The contributors are mostly
not from the traditional, physical libraries.
<jar_> +1. important to articulate the value proposition of LD (for
someone)
antoine: next we made reference to that LOD cloud
... starting from the use cases we are gathering the data sets
connected to the UCs
... next point in the section will be to identify gaps also starting
from UCs
<edsu> jar_: someone = cultural heritage institutions: libraries,
archives, museums, etc
<TomB> +1 sounds good
antoine: present as work in progress, tell people what they might
expect in future
<jar_> edsu: yes.
antoine: this could lead to recommendations
...summary: aim of section, identify datasets, identify gaps,
issues, work in progress
... what we have gathered will be presented as snapshot
... second part will be focused on CKAN LLD group to continue the
effort
... this section is flexible
... we are suggesting that one of us liaise with R Cygniak
... ask what they need from LLD
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine and jeff_ to make a proposal to the group
about vocabularies and datasets [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action08
antoine:we will need people to help us we welcome input on these
sections - any of the sections or the separate deliverable last
week's telcon - people who made comments then are welcome to comment
but open to anyone to help with these sections
<rsinger> i am
<marcia> I am in
<scribe> --continues
<edsu> ww_: we are talking about you :-)
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest that the snapshot be very
"broad-brush" (i.e., not take much writing effort away from sections
in the main report) because whatever list is presented in
TomB: we need to keep an eye on the report
<ww_> edsu: ack
TomB: it will be interesting for people reading the report to get a
sense of what is out there, but as a resource it would get out of
date
antoine: links to authority files, subject headings
jeff: a snapshot helps becuase it gives you the idea that there is
alot more going on and things are changing
emma: last 10 minutes
<rsinger> a snapshot also gives a reference to build on
emma: 2011-04-21 discussion would be requirements and
recommendations
<rsinger> re: future snapshots
<antoine> @rsinger: yes!
<kcoyle> won't issues lead to that?
emma: no content yet we need to get a sense of what we would expect
in this section
... do we have specific expectations on this?
<jar_> You can't have requirements unless you've articulated what
goal you're trying to reach. "X is required in order for ..."
karen: we can't do requiqrements until we have done issues
... the issues discussions will lead to how we approach requirements
emma: we need to have something in mind, there are some placeholders
... when working on other sections
<GordonD> +1 to have indications of requirements from the work on
the problems and limitations section
<GordonD> +1 to separate requirements from recommendations
emma: we should think about requirements, recommendations and what
we would like to see happening
<GordonD> Issues lead to requirements lead to recommendations
karen: requirements and recommendations are different things but we
need to have thought about the issues
... example recommendation would be to create another group
antoine: was going to make similar points, some recommendations are
not requirements-related
... in COlogne Guenther Neher had volunteered to write something
about curricula
... maybe we can contact him
emma: agrees, outreach-related work questions needs discussion
... may need to be addressed in a May call
... we need to check all sections have been discussed once
... in May we will check that we have done so
<GordonD> This is a good schedule!
emma: that leaves a few months
<kcoyle> it's good to HAVE a schedule to try to achieve
emma: there are 4 topics without owners
<emma>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.h
tml
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.html
emma: do we keep in use case report, in appendix, as something else?
... relevant technologies are important, people ask 'are there
tools'
karen: tools will end up on the issues page - everyone wants to know
what are the tools we can use today, the lack of those tools will be
one of the issues
jeff: tools available - we can provide pointers to the ones
available, maybe short descriptions
<GordonD> Relevant technologies are also volatile (like
vocabularies/datasets) so suggest a similar treatment
<kcoyle> jeff, can you make that list?
<kcoyle> also, differ between tools for develoeprs and tools for
users
<TomB> jeff, that would be extremely valuable
<marcia> Karen: FYI: The open ontology group's identified audiences
for the messages we need to deliver: (i) policy makers, (ii) budget
holders, (iii) Technology Decision Makers (CIOs and Architects),
(iv) Implementers (engineers and developers), (v) users/consumers of
the technology, and (vi) educators
<michaelp> I was in there, too.
emma: there was a pending action
<antoine>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action04
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
AlexanderH: agrees this is important, but it is difficult to give
recommendations for the far future
<marcia> Karen: That list might be a different detail level from
what you were talking about the 'audiences'.
<jodi> marcia: good list of audiences
<kcoyle> marcia: i like that list, will think about
<rsinger> me too
antoine: we could provide pointers, recommendation for the next
future would be useful for community
<TomB> Any tools list will go out of date quickly but a list
characterizing what is available in a broad-brush way would be
helpful.
<kcoyle> thanks!
emma: thanks everyone
<AlexanderH> htank u
<kefo> bye
Summary of Action Items
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine and jeff_ to make a proposal to the group
about vocabularies and datasets [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: emma, TomB, and antoine to send a call for finding
an owner of the UC deliverable [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: emma and ed to start curating a section on
benefits of LLD for libraries [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action08
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action07
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action06
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