- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:02:17 -0500
- To: "Thomas Baker" <tbaker@tbaker.de>, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Cc: <gordon@gordondunsire.com>, <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Karen, Can you find some wording that supports your claim that group 1 entities are modeled as records? I've always thought of it more as an ER model. Jeff Thomas Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de> wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 07:57:25AM -0800, Karen Coyle wrote: > First, the FRBR entities of Group 1 are modeled as separate records > (unfortunately). That's something I see as problematic, but that's > how it is. It is my impression that in each such record, all of the > triples will have the same subject. Maybe we need to try out some > examples and see if this is true. Thank you for explaining that! I immediately wonder whether there are two (or more) ways of understanding "record" -- one of the record as a serialized blob held on hard disks and exchanged over the wire, and another as something more conceptual, e.g., as a grouping of information. If four records were grouped into a serialized blob, given an identifier, and managed a particular database as a whole, would that blob also be considered a record? I'm not looking for an answer, just asking the question... > Let me make it clear that I am NOT saying that this is the right way > to do it. I'm trying to explain current thinking, as I read it, in > library cataloging. Understood! I'm trying to understand differences in underlying assumptions so that we can articulate and explain them more clearly. > In my mind, the DCAM represents a full data model, not a record. The > library world also has a data model, with 3 entity types, the three > FRBR groups (and all groups are actually multiple entities). But > each entity is a separate record in the instance data. I don't want to take this thread in the direction of DCAM, but the general idea of DCAM was to provide an abstract syntax for the contents of a "record", as in: "Description sets are instantiated, for the purposes of exchange between software applications, in the form of metadata records" [1]. To the extent DCAM provides a full data model, that model is based largely on RDF -- with the addition of named-graph-like constructs not in RDF per se, such as Description and Description Set. In that sense, I see DCAM as orthogonal to, i.e., not really comparable with, FRBR as a data model. And yes, I acknowledge that DCAM is confusing on these points. > Note that library records often > contain administrative data about the record or the creation of the > record, and this isn't distinguished from data about the primary > entity. Other than that I do believe that each record has a single > focus today. I'm willing to believe that most records _do_ have a single focus, but administrative data is a good example. I took a few minutes to look up some examples of library records, and the first one I saw had information along the lines of: Berlin: Springer Verlag, 1992. ...which I would be more inclined to translate into triples as: :X dct:date "1992" :X dct:publisher :Y :Y ex:name "Springer Verlag" :Y ex:location "Berlin" ...rather than as, say: :X dct:date "1992" :X dct:publisher "Springer Verlag" :X ex:publisherlocation "Berlin" ...where "Berlin" is directly an attribute of resource "W" -- which, among other things, would lose the relationship between "Berlin" and "Springer Verlag". Tom [1] http://www.dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/#sect-3 -- Tom Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
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