- From: Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:57:57 -0400
- To: public-lld <public-lld@w3.org>, public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Hi, all,
Here are the edited minutes from today's call:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html
A text version of the transcript is included in this email.
Thanks to everybody who participated!
-Ross.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
07 Apr 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0000.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/04/07-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
emma_, antoine, rsinger, TomB, dvilasuero, kefo, jeff_,
pmurray, michaelp, digikim, marcia, Jonathan_Rees, ww
Regrets
Monica, Jodi, Ed, Ray, Gordon, Lars, Uldis, Kai, Joachim,
Felix, Alexander
Chair
Emma
Scribe
Ross
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]FINAL REPORT DRAFT
* [7]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<emma_> Previous: 2011-03-31
[8]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minut
es.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html
<emma_> Scribe: Ross
<emma_> scribenick: rsinger
Admin
PROPOSED: To accept
12[9]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-min
utes.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html
Asia-Pacific Telecon:
><TomB> will get in touch with Japanese colleagues to arrange a new
time.
FINAL REPORT DRAFT
Use case and requirements report, dvilasuero
<emma_>
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0011.h
tml
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Apr/0011.html
dvilasuero: not much time to work on this
... followed recommendation from TomB
... any comments? Hints?
<emma_> [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
<antoine> -> an HTML page
antoine: there are some templates available on the W3C site, we can
reuse them
TomB: I suggest we do it in the wiki and then transfer it over to
HTML, unless your preference is editing HTML
emma_: any comments?
<TomB> +1 discuss now
antoine: Sent email to the list with some comments, we can discuss
now? Later?
... First, it's definitely the right direction
<emma_> +1 for the graph :-)
antoine: I like the graph, it's useful to have visual information of
the process
... 2) We are really able to see the differences between the use
cases, so hopefully we can get more homogeneous description between
them
... some are not compatible from an editorial perspective with the
others
... get the curators to come back, read the descriptions and revise
them
emma_: the extracted use cases?
antoine: yes, the extracted use cases
<dvilasuero>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Extracte
d_Use_Cases
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Extracted_Use_Cases
antoine: another comment, agrovoc use case, there could be comments
on the wording, but this is exactly what I was looking for
dvilasuero: this is an example from TomB
antoine: size and level of detail is perfect
dvilasuero: everyone can go back and participate in the editing of
this page
antoine: small editorial comment, add links to the wiki pages
dvilasuero: both for the use cases and the clusters?
antoine: yes
... general structure, would it be more interesting to have the
extracted use cases first?
<marcia> +1
dvilasuero: sounds correct
<TomB> +1 on switching order of "extracted" use cases and individual
use cases
<Zakim> emma_, you wanted to ask about overlapping extracted cases
emma_: there might be cases where there are overlaps
antoine: do you have a specific example of overlaps?
emma_: no specifics, but I remember some of the clusters have
similarities
antoine: reluctant to remove structure; useful reading guide
emma_: if you think it's useful to keep the clusters...
antoine: not so sure, just a gut feeling
dvilasuero: maybe we can keep for now, and when completed we can
revisit organization
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest that descriptions of the
individual use cases include at least one pointing to the project or
case. Wondering whether that link should be to the
TomB: each of these descriptions point to another document, should
that be the frozen wiki page? or directly to the project, which
would require a little more work?
emma_: what is your recommendation?
<antoine> +1
TomB: I would suggest they point to the frozen wiki pages
<dvilasuero> +1 to tomb
<antoine> also ensures that some description remains
emma_: I agree, more persistence.
<digikim> uh great, I found the _transcluded_ version of the report.
this is much easier to check than tens of different wiki pages...
just wondering if this transcluded version is up to date... (?)
TomB: These pages capture the project at a particular point in time
antoine: Terminology: some are just example cases, not actually use
cases - not real user scenarios
... perhaps we should adapt the naming convention, "Contributed
cases"?
<marcia> Agree that this is an issue... some of them are not 'use
cases'
emma_: we had a lot of discussion on this and the definition of what
was actually expected
... or do we want to call this a use case report?
antoine: we can, although they may not actually be use cases
... a cluster is a list of use cases
... ok as a textual explanation of the graph
emma_: should we just forget explanation of the process and produce
the results?
antoine: we should remind readers that a call had been sent, that
this is community contribution, etc.
emma_: dvilasuero, may want to ask on the list
<TomB> dvilasuero, I have parked references to the use case wiki
pages in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Referenc
es for now...
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#References
dvilasuero: we should describe what this graph is
... and have a discussion on the mailing list
<TomB> ...for cutting and pasting...
<marcia> There could also be some 'see also' references between
extracted case clusters-- some have more than others and may address
an issue can apply to another cluster.
<digikim> antoine:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
emma_: at the end of the extracted use cases, there are two clusters
that don't have any extracted use cases
marcia: I looked at the new use case page, very good. could there be
some kind of references to each other?
... there is the digital object extracted part, but it may have
other issues already addressed by another part
... archives, bibliographic data, etc.
... this may save time
... readers could be attracted by the title "Digital Objects" and
it's sparse - if there were references to other sections, they could
be drawn to the other cases to see the overlaps
emma_: Agreed, this is what I was referring to with overlaps.
dvilasuero: i want to point out, re: overlapping, I identified some
... social uses shared with bibliographic data cluster
... didn't know which cluster to put it in, so for now it is
duplicated
<antoine> This is for individual contributed cases, isn't it?
emma_: so sometimes it's duplicated, sometimes it's referenced
emma_: are we talking about the clusters? or the individual cases?
The clusters, right?
dvilasuero: no, the individual cases
emma_: maybe we can just make a link in that case
... any other comments?
<dvilasuero> +1 emma's suggestion
emma_: all this about vocabularies, etc. is not going into the use
case report, it's going into the final report, is that right?
... that extracted in the clusters, issues, vocabs.
... is that the intention?
antoine: all the stuff extracted from the use cases should make its
way into the final report one way or another
... recommendations, issues, vocabularies, separate deliverable
emma_: just keep the extracted cases?
antoine: should be enough to keep the links to the use case "frozen
wiki pages"
emma_: any more questions on the use case report?
dvilasuero: i should have more time in the coming days, so I will
report on the progress
emma_: great starting point, so thank you very much
... we have more time, so let's go through the other sections
<dvilasuero> I am sorry but I have to run to a meeting, Thanks
everyone for the feedback and help :-)
<scribe> ACTION: For Gordon and Karen to consider relation between
problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page.
[recorded in
[15]"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-min
utes.html#action01][CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action01
emma_: Executive summary, we'll write later
... Benefits of LD in libraries, we discussed last week
<scribe> ACTION: Cluster owners to check the bullet-point list
reflects their understanding and covers relevant points [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and
add to bullet-points [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05
<marcia>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.h
tml
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.html
Available data (vocabularies, datasets) (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia,
William)
cf.
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.h
tml
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.html
ww: going to spend some time this weekend with graphviz to make some
pictures
... not sure of a Library data subcloud of the LOD cloud
... not sure that will happen before the deadline of this document
antoine: will continue discussion over email
emma_: this should be up for discussion next week?
ww: yes
Relevant technologies (as described in #6 in
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.h
tml)
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.html)
<TomB> +1 pictures :-)
<scribe> ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general
purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching
feature (short sketch for final report) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
jeff_: Do we want a couple paragraphs of relevant technology? Right
now we have list of things
emma_: these will go out of date quite quickly
TomB: it will go out of date quickly; if somebody is willing to
write something... Concerned about a relevant technology section
being spotty
<antoine> perhaps just a typology of tools, with one or two
pointers?
<TomB> @antoine: yes, something pretty high-level...
<TomB> ...with disclaimers that "this is not exhaustive" and a few
pointers to sources of maintained lists
emma_: we will add this to the agenda
TomB: to summarize, something high level that has disclaimers being
non-exhaustive, time-sensitive, with points to sites that keep on
top of the situation would be great
... small piece
<antoine> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool
emma: Problems and limitations section
<antoine> -> this is the page I was refering to
emma: any comments?
TomB: We had some Skype calls, another early next week
... made great progress, not all reflected in doc on wiki, yet. We
have assignments among ourselves
... problems AND recommendations, also part of that document
pmurray: our Skype call is on Monday, 11 AM EDT, let us know if you
want to join
emma_: Requirements and recommendations section
<emma_>
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Mar/0171.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Mar/0171.html
<scribe> ACTION: Karen to request feedback from community on
recommendations [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
emma_: call scheduled on the subject of requirements, on April 25th
antoine: question for pmurray and TomB, looking at vocabulary page,
at the deliverable - there appear to be recommendations at the
beginning, should this go into the recommendation section?
<antoine>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies#Vocabular
y_discussion_in_Pittsburgh
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies#Vocabulary_discussion_in_Pittsburgh
TomB: I will circulate that to the group and see if we can work it
in
emma_: any other business?
<digikim> yes
digikim: easier to read the report if it's transcluded to one big
page
<digikim> antoine: sounds good
<digikim> deadline?
<scribe> ACTION: Update the transcluded version of the report
[digikim] [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
emma_: no deadline for this action
... any other business?
[adjourned]
<digikim> antoine: what would be the optimal day to do a first
update of the transcluded? ("now", "next wednesday", ...?)
<antoine> next wednesday is good
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Update the transcluded version of the report [digikim]
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Cluster owners to check the bullet-point list
reflects their understanding and covers relevant points [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general
purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching
feature (short sketch for final report) [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and
add to bullet-points [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: For Gordon and Karen to consider relation between
problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page.
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action04
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Karen to request feedback from community on
recommendations [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
[End of minutes]
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