- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:44:13 -0700
- To: "public-xg-lld@w3.org" <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLDXG
02 Sep 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
emma, aseiler, jeff, GordonD, jneubert, antoine, fsasaki,
marma, ww, marcia, digikim, kcoyle, TomB, edsu, matolat,
jodi, AlexanderH, kevinf, rsinger, jon, bernard, michaelp
Regrets
Ray, Monica, Lars, Nicolas, Oreste
Chair
Emmanuelle
Scribe
Karen
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]Use cases
3. [7]name section
4. [8]owner section
5. [9]goal section
6. [10]use case scenario section
7. [11]application of linked data section
8. [12]Existing work section
9. [13]vocabularies section
10. [14]problems and limitations section
11. [15]related use cases section
12. [16]lld data dimensions/topics section
13. [17]references section
14. [18]prototypes and applications
15. [19]call email text
16. [20]what lists to send mail to?
* [21]Summary of Action Items
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<emma> Previous minutes :
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minu
tes.html
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html
can onyone else scribe I can't get the phone line :(
<edsu> kevinf++ # glad to have you here :-)
Nice number is down and Bristol is busy
<emma> Scribe: Karen
<emma> scribenick: kcoyle
<antoine> Agenda:
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0007.h
tml
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0007.html
<bernard> thanks Karen, sorry about that
Admin
RESOLUTION: accept previous telecon minutes
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to say I have created a draft agenda at
[24]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
f2f meeting: Tom - has posted draft agenda
page is on wiki
signups on wiki page for attendence at f2f: all sign up on page
ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to
indicate whether they are attending or not at
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
[26] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01
Cologne possible informal meeting, Dec. 1, morning
<jneubert> Full SWIB10 programme now online at
[27]http://swib.org/swib10/
[27] http://swib.org/swib10/
<jneubert> Doodle poll still open, please add your name if you want
to join later on: [28]http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
[28] http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
Use cases
ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03
<antoine>
<emma>
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Talk:Use_Case_Template
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Talk:Use_Case_Template
Discussion on list has been added to Talk page of template
<edsu> +1
AlexanderH: use same template for use cases and for case studies?
Alexander: template designed for use cases; can same template be
used also for case studies?
Antoine: dual use could mean some difference in how sections are
used, but should be ok
<bernard> no objection
RESOLUTION: use same template for use cases and case studies
<Zakim> jodi, you wanted to suggest that we can get responses by
email or in the public wiki
name section -- ok
owner section -- ok
<Zakim> jneubert, you wanted to suggest to make the other sections
not subchapters of Name
<antoine> Just changed it!
goal - there have been problems with this one. needs to be clear that
it is goal of user, not of use case
"user goal"?
Antoine: leave as is
RESOLUTION: do not change goal section today
use case scenario section -
Alexander: may not be applicable to case studies
kcoyle:i thought this was one of the easier sections
Jeff: sees no problem using for both types
<TomB> +1 - do not see a problem using use case scenario for case
studies
Antoine: also in favor of keeping it
<Zakim> edsu, you wanted to ask about actors
<antoine> actors is given maybe by the next section "target
audience" :-)
edsu: had some trouble with who the actor is; actor as person rather
than software
<ww> can't hear the discussion, but just to make a point that came
up on the openbiblio list, w.r.t. owl:sameAs - representations of
information are tied closely to the intent of the users of the
information - their goals, the context. "relevance" of properties,
attributes, rules, etc. always as to do with this, it is really,
"relevant given the intent and context of the user"
Jeff: tried to get human purpose into case, included both human and
machine
<edsu> thanks jeff
antoine: target audience would be place for person
<Zakim> jodi, you wanted to ask about the use case template and how
to solicit the info we need
<edsu> antoine: i like that idea of having the target audience guide
who the actors are
<jeff_> +1
Jodi: might be easier to have more interactive way to get
information
... with a curator who receives the case
antoine: need template, but for skos use cases asked for use cases
by mail and could go back and ask questions if needed. Is that what
jodi intends?
jodi: more about preface
should target audience be before scenario in template?
edsu: good to think about who you are writing it for earlier in
template
<jeff_> +1
<bernard> I don't see "target audience" at
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Template
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Template
RESOLUTION: move target audience before scenario
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask whether my small explanation text
is ok...
audience = main audience for case; should we add computer as
possible audience?
RESOLUTION: Add computer as possible audience
<ww> PHILOSOPHICAL DIVERSION: can a computer have intent?
application of linked data section
jeff: use of URI patterns tends to distract from case; hard to come
up with realistic examples that look like good URIs
Alex: could talk about use of patterns in scenario, to explain
examples in linked data
jeff: perhaps uri patterns deserve their own use case
<marcia> I like to see it
<jneubert> +1 for using uri patterns in describing use cases
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask how "patterns" are coming into
discussion and whether this notion should be captured in the
template - note: relates to application profiles
<jodi> to me, URI patterns seem like something separate (standards
of practice, best practices) -- not a 'use case'
<marcia> maybe URI patterns to be a wiki page
TomB: re: patterns; not directly related to templates, but more
related to application profiles
Antoine: patterns is an important issue, but not the only one.
better not to try to fit them all into use cases
<TomB> +1 okay, not trying to fit them into all use cases
<jeff_> +1
Existing work section
discussion page has new wording
RESOLUTION: accept wording on discussion page
vocabularies -- no discussion
problems and limitations section --
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to make it optional?
Antoine: this should be optional
RESOLUTION: make problems and limitations optional section
related use cases section
no comments
lld data dimensions/topics -- propose drop it
<edsu> +1
<jneubert> +1
<jeff_> +1
<antoine> antoine: let's keep that beast just for us :-)
<matolat> +1
use only to curate use cases afterward
<edsu> antoine: yes, i think they will be useful for analysis after
we get them
<bernard> +1
RESOLUTION: drop LLD Dimension/topics section for call for use
cases; keep for curation
references section --- no problems
prototypes and applications -- put content under existing work instead
<antoine> I've made the changes we agreed on at
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Template
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Template
call email text
<emma>
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail
<marcia> I wonder if 'research' and 'experiments' are also welcome
or not.
marcia: do these have to be real uses, or can research activities be
included?
answer: anything should be welcome
<antoine> the draft mail mentions "considering doing it in the near
future" :-)
<digikim> does the answerers know what linked data is?
ACTION: group to comment on email text at
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail by
Monday, Sept. 6 [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail
<marcia> suggest to add a link to the Linked Data basic principles
<matolat> is Library Linked Data a well know definition? Will we get
straight Linked Data case?
<jeff_> here's the spec: [36]http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/
[36] http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/
<marcia> Refer to this page?
[37]http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
[37] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
antoine: need use case curation team; for interaction with use case
senders
<jodi> I would like to volunteer for curation. :)
emmanuelle volunteers
alex also "volunteers"
<digikim> how do we select who to send the questionary?
<antoine> yes that's the next point :-)
what lists to send mail to?
<marcia> we should have a page of the listservs, e.g., IFLA-L,
ASIST... and decide who will send
<antoine>
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists.html
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists.html
ACTION: by Monday members should add to list of email lists at
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
<bernard> proposal : push the announcement URL on our respective
Twitter status
<emma> [adjourned]
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: by Monday members should add to list of email lists at
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: group to comment on email text at
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail by
Monday, Sept. 6 [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail
[PENDING] ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page
to indicate whether they are attending or not at
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc.
for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
[46] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01
[47]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06
[DONE] ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03]
[49] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03
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