Minutes of 2010-10-14 LLD meeting

The minutes of today's meeting will be available at http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-lld-minutes.html

Text version below.

Cheers,
Wolfgang 

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  [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                LLD XG

14 Oct 2010

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Oct/0052.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-lld-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Thomas Baker (TomB), Anette Seiler (aseiler), Jeff Young (jeff_), Jodi Schneider (jodi), Martin Malmsten (marma), Alexander Haffner (AlexanderH), Felix Sasaki (Felix), Gordon Dunsire (GordonD), Ross Singer (rsinger), Wolfgang Halb (whalb), Peter Murray (pmurray), Jonathan Rees (jar), Kai Eckert (kai), Ray Denenberg (Ray), Karen Coyle (kcoyle), Kevin Ford (kefo), Asaf Bartov (Asaf), Bernard Vatant (bvatant), Kim Viljanen (digikim), Michael Panzer (michaelp)

   Regrets
          Emmanuelle, Antoine, Lars

   Chair
          Tom

   Scribe
          whalb

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]admin
         2. [6]Pittsburgh face-to-face meetings
         3. [7]Use cases and case studies
         4. [8]Other Wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas
         5. [9]Upcoming topics - FYI...
         6. [10]Upcoming face-to-face meetings
         7. [11]aob
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   <TomB> Previous:
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html

   <marka> same here, phone troubles

   <kcoyle> karen

   <TomB> Scribe: whalb

   <TomB> Scribenick: whalb

   <digikim> hello

   <ww> all circuits busy on the uk dialin number :(

   tomb: important thing is to make sure agenda is ok

   <digikim> digikim calling

   <digikim> (is zakim awake?)

admin

   proposal: accept minutes of last telco
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html

   resolved: accept minutes of previous telco

Pittsburgh face-to-face meetings

   tomb: two meetings, one friday afternoon about application profiles
   ... main meeting on saturday and half of sunday
   ... for the meeting on friday preparation:
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
   ... content will change until tomorrow

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010

   marcia: will put a link to current model

   tomb: meeting on saturday, required reading is charter
   ... use cases:
   ... there is a list of background, topic list, how use cases relate
   to topics
   ... most people will present one use case, a few will have to
   present more
   ... people please add names to use cases in brackets

   <marma> Got disconnected

   <TomB>
   [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0058.html

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0058.html

   <TomB>
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_S
   cientific_Datasets

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_Scientific_Datasets

   <TomB>
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Enhanced_Publ
   ications

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Enhanced_Publications

   tomb: we dont have to assign namens right now to new use cases
   ... but we need at least one member per use case, each f2f attendant
   assigned to at least one use case
   ... use case assignment is to read use case description and prepare
   for discussion
   ... everybody should sign up for at least one use case (to lead
   discussion)
   ... maybe prepare some bullet points for driving discussion in the
   right direction

   <Abartov> +q use case owners

   <michaelp> I would be happy to lead discussion for Authority date
   enrichment

   <jeff_>
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
   e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30

   <pmurray> I picked up the NDNP use case on the F2F agenda.

   tomb: will send out a reminder to list of use cases are still not
   covered tomorrow

   <GordonD> All note: list of assigned rapporteurs has changed
   significantly since this agenda was prepared!

   tomb: there is quite some background reading, it is not necesary to
   read everything in detail

   <marcia> Will the case presented in this order as listed, or in
   'related' groups?

   tomb: we have to keep in mind that there are only 7 months left for
   the xg

   <Abartov> (remember: some UC owners can't make it to the F2F, but
   would be very happy to answer questions before and even during the
   F2F, remotely)

   <marcia> +q

   <jodi> marcia: IMO, 'related' would be nice, if it's obvious what's
   related to what.

   tomb: we should be able to define what we want to achieve in the
   remaining 7 months

   <jodi> y

   <jeff_> y

   <michaelp> y

   <kcoyle> yep

   <rsinger> well, i am

   <kefo> yes

   tomb: we should sort out what is achievable

   <bvatant> yes we are

   <marma> y

   <marcia> +q

   <digikim> :)

Use cases and case studies

   tomb: going through actions...

   kcoyle: regarding action01 - we have done what can be done before
   the meeting
   ... action will be continued

   rayd: question regarding friday meeting: if someone not registered
   for dc meeting will she/he have to pay?

   <GordonD> May depend on venue security?

   tomb: theoretically should be registered, in practice dont know

   marcia: can ask dc committee if it is ok for unregistered
   participants
   ... how many minutes should be taken for each case, what order of
   presentation?

   tomb: would be good idea to group the use cases
   ... we dont need to sort that out today but we should start grouping
   and do it over the coming week

   <GordonD> +1 Tom's suggestion

   kcoyle: we need to look at topic list

   <GordonD> Suggest a pragmatic approach and finalise groupings just
   before meeting

   <markva> I understood it was necessary and registered...

   tomb: regarding action03 i suggest that we carry that action forward
   as use cases keep coming in

   <scribe> ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to structure
   the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
   tes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [CONTINUES]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01

   <scribe> ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
   tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03

   <scribe> ACTION: Karen to add short names to the topics page
   [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action09

   <Abartov> "champions" :)

   <GordonD> De facto word for uc presenters is Presenter

Other Wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas

   <rsinger>
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_form
   ats

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_formats

   <jodi> in general, I prefer using the world-writable wiki

   <rayd> +q

   <scribe> ACTION: Participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds'
   by signing their names in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
   e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
     [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action08

   <jodi> yes, let's make a template :)

   <kcoyle> agree

   <Abartov> Are you proposing to begin collecting ontologies and
   vocabularies for LLD?

   <rsinger> no, datasets

   <Abartov> rsinger: oh, I see. thanks.

Upcoming topics - FYI...

   tomb: nothing to discuss atm

Upcoming face-to-face meetings

   tomb: reminder for meeting

aob

   <Abartov> +q

   <marma> We're having trouble with the phones at KB. Will follow IRC.
   Sorry.

   tomb: hotel is in transition from hilton to new management, link has
   been posted to list
   ... if anyone is concerned about reservation you can call the hotel
   to check
   ... hotel is trying to make transition as smooth as possible

   <GordonD> All: looking forward to seeing most of you next week!

   tomb: looking forward to meeting participants at conference
   ... there will be no call next week
   ... irc will be used for friday afternoon meeting
   ... remote participants are welcome
   ... on saturday zakim and irc will also be used and remote
   participants are invited to join by voice or irc

   <Abartov> -q

   tomb: on sunday no zakim will be used because of the costs (no
   sponsor for wifi)
   ... notes will be taken

   <jar_> I recommend someone bring an access point anyhow

   <jar_> even if no Internet, you can use it for file transfer, local
   web servers etc

   <jodi> bye

   tomb: look forward to meeting at f2f and in 2 weeks at next call

   <jar_> sorry I won't be there

   <bvatant> bye

   <marcia> have a good trip, all

   <rsinger> bye!

   <AlexanderH> thx bye

   <kefo> bye

   <aseiler> bye

   <digikim> thanks

   [adjourned]

   <markva> sorry I wasnt on the phone, VU phone central not working...

Summary of Action Items

   [PENDING] ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to
   structure the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
   tes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Karen to add short names to the topics page
   [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds'
   by signing their names in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
   e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
   tes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
   [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
   tes.html#action03]
   [DONE] ACTION: Topic owners to check table and think about supplying additional use-cases
   [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
   tes.html#action04]


     [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action09
     [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action08
     [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03
     [31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action04

   [End of minutes]

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