- From: ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@kent.edu>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:47:58 -0400
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Dear all,
With the great help of Antoine today's minutes is now available at:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Thanks everyone for contributing to the scribing. For anyone who will perform scribing duty in the future, this document is really helpful: the LLD scribing guide that Antoine updated based on Tom's guide for the previous group he was chairing: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html.
Cheers,
Marcia
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LLD XG 29 Jul 2010 Minutes
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
29 Jul 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0080.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/07/29-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
michaelp, GordonD, kcoyle, monica, kai, antoine, AlexanderH,
edsu, jneubert, emma, marcia, jeff, ww, andras, b_vatant,
fumi, matolat
Regrets
Tom, Ray, Ross, Dickson, Bernard, Wolfgang, Kim, Oreste,
Jonathan, Martin, Glen, Jodi, Nicolas
Chair
Emmanuelle
Scribe
Marcia
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Administrative
2. [6]Use cases and case studies
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases
3. [7]Topic list
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
4. [8]Upcoming topics
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<emma> scribe : Marcia
<emma> scribenick: marcia
Administrative
<emma> Minutes of previous telecon :
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html
emma: any objection?
RESOLVED to accept minutes of previous meeting
-- F2F meetings Pittsburgh 23 and 24 October, confirmed
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
Confirmed
emma: A joint meeting with DCMI Architecture Forum WG has been
scheduled on Friday 22nd afternoon
[12]http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/program-sessions.html#joi
ntmeeting
[12] http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/program-sessions.html#jointmeeting
emma: Application Profiles for Linked Data: Models & Requirements
no questions
emma: Possible meeting jointly to SWBIB 2010 (Cologne, 29 and 30
November) ? See Joachim's mail :
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0066.h
tml "Semantic Web in Bibliotheken" = " Semantic Web in Libraries"
[14]http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0066.html
[14] http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html
emma: asking people to take the Doodle poll
...in addition to the f2f meeting in Pittsburgh
...see how many people would be interested
...then we will decide
...get details before the conference time, decide the day and time
<kai> i will be there anyway, so +1 for the meeting
jneubert: maybe part of the coming event,
...depends on who will be, either afternoon or evening
<kcoyle> ++ beer and chitchat
<edsu> beer+chitchat++
<antoine> cool!
<kai> +1 for the beer, but maybe we can do both :-)
ww: October possible Berlin meeting
<ww> [15]http://wikis.fu-berlin.de/display/fcrc/Home
[15] http://wikis.fu-berlin.de/display/fcrc/Home
<ww> The 3rd Free Culture Research Conference, 7-9 October in Berlin
<emma> [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/LLD/Events
[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/LLD/Events
emma: we have a wiki page for the events, please paste there.
-- Summer teleconferences schedule 2010-08-19 - Tom 2010-08-26 -
Antoine Weekly calls will resume in September.
ACTION: antoine to check cross linking between the two wikis
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action01
Use cases and case studies
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases
Emma: open discussion
ACTION: stu, alexander, kai and emma to suggest another version of
the template. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0047.h
tml [DONE]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action05
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0047.html
kai: ask if there are any questions about the template, tried to
popularize with data from use cases, tried to recognize weaknesses
and adapt
...maybe have to rework some things, if not, start to collect use
cases
emma: any objection to using the template as such?
kai: topic dimensions and topics to be discussed
<gneher> i think, the templates are very good and will be very
helpful. thanks to kai et al. !
<GordonD> +1 let's get on with it
<antoine> I was happy with the changes made after my comments!
emma: maybe we can decide today
[No objection]
ACTION: Alexander, kai, emma to populate the template for use cases
[recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] ->
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Dat
a_Enrichment ->
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Prese
rvation [DONE]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action03
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Preservation
alexander: regarding authority, maybe populate a kind of general use
case, find a specific use case, consider the enrichment of existing
authority records
... background and technology not necessary
... try to pick out some limitations, as well as try to relay to
other use cases
<emma>
->
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Dat
a_Enrichment ->
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Prese
rvation
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Preservation
emma: some feedback on use cases
antoine: they seemed to be OK. I'd like to create one for myself
<edsu> looks good to me
Kai: wonder to find what kinds problem we have
...granularity of our user cases
...enrichment of user cases
...conclusion:
easier to concentrate on very specific user cases,
...more difficult to have broader point of views
...hence added "related use cases" to connect together specific use
cases
... with some common features
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask whether this is captured in the
motivation part
kai: to rethink what we did
... its better to focus on a very specific use case than on a broad
scenario
antoine: kai, please write one statement in rationale page
<edsu> [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UCRationale
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UCRationale
emma: decide how we are going to make more use case
emma: Use cases at ALA meeting, June 2010 ->
[27]http://kcoyle.net/lld-ala.html
...how to integrate these issues to the user cases
...anyone has information on this?
[27] http://kcoyle.net/lld-ala.html
ed: there were several groups and I participated in one
... we talked about Use Cases Discussion Group
...how data set are there now and be used, e.g., OCLC case
...what people are doing with the data, monitor what they do,
...it was only clear of where they were from but not what they do,
...that was the interesting part
<kcoyle> not all of the discussions there would necessarily turn
into use cases, but we can look at them to see what we could derive
ed: OCLC has people involved
...Karen was there,
... discussion about RDFa, for making library data more accessable
to Facebook, Google search, etc. Another interesting discussion
<emma> Add ideas of use cases
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
<monica> I wondered if this would make an interesting use case
[29]http://efoundations.typepad.com/efoundations/2010/07/finding-ebo
oks.html
[29] http://efoundations.typepad.com/efoundations/2010/07/finding-ebooks.html
<antoine> RDFa/Richsnippets/SEO ++
emma: we need to decide: -- Choice between filling the use cases
ourselves & sending out a call
... we don't have many volunteers
<ww> couldn't we do both?
<AlexanderH> first ourselve
<antoine> ww+
emma: yes, we could start with ourselves
<GordonD> +1 ourselves
<kai> +1 for ourselves for the already existing ideas for use cases
-> Poll for volunteers:
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Poll_for_volu
nteers
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Poll_for_volunteers
<jeff> +1 ourselves
<gneher> +1 ourselves
<AlexanderH> see how many we get ourselves
<edsu> +1 ourselves first
<kai> =more examples = easier for others to follow with further use
cases
<michaelp> +1
<monica> +1 start ourselves
<Andras> +1
<GordonD> timescale?
emma: use the use case on the wiki
<ww> +1 start ourselves, then solicit other suggestions
<monica> would it be ok to work on use case with collaborators from
outside the working group?
emma: when the use cases are due
<kai> @monica: i think so
<GordonD> +1
antoine: suggestion of volunteering to take the use cases, suggests
limiting the number of volunteers...don't have more than two people
on same use case
... that way they won't wonder if ten people are going to join
jneubert: it makes sense to follow the example section...make it
part of the cases section.
... link all the use cases in the section of the use case page
[jneubert did it]
<emma> [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
antoine: deadline...
emma: first get some use cases ourselves, September...
antoine: not the next telecon but the one after is the deadline?
<GordonD> +1 August for ourselves then September for others
emma: or the next one
<kcoyle> +1 august
antoine: deadline august 26th
... better one day before the telecon
<GordonD> this will allow feedback from ifla and possibly rda
emma: august 25 deadline
ACTION: everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes . Not
more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
Topic list [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
<edsu> topic topic :-)
emma: ACTION: everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded
in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] Karen is editor of the topics. [CONTINUES]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
<GordonD> +1 to continue to develop topics
emma: use cases should relate to the topics
antoine: want to point to the discussion page on the topic page
<antoine> [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Talk:Topics
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Talk:Topics
emma: July about domain modling, FRBR... question about if the
description relly relate to the
... on the mailing list there are discussions
karen: not sure what point to make
Jeff: lots of topics getting to certain concerns, small group carry
on the discussions. need balance between small group and everyboday
<antoine> I think raising general awareness on issues is good!
emma: relate the discussion to the topics
<b_vatant> wondering how the topics will be related to use cases
karen: maybe we can base on the topic list, do not get into the
details.
... initially need to remember to put them on the topic list
<michaelp> If someone wants to take them on as a UC, they would then
be there.
emma: relate to the topic list,
antoine: discussions, as long as on the community list, all are
relavant
...one of the topics was on Open Library, certainly relevant
<ww> the openbiblio mailing list is available for discussion of
sausage
Jeff: the case of Open Library protocal details etc. has some gaps
with linked data
<GordonD> suggest xg members take responsibility to manage public
list topics - move offline with smaller group, add to topics, fold
back to focus of lld - but not prevent discussion
karen: some of the cases are not pure linked data, the case will be
on how you want to move from what you got
<antoine> +1
karen: happy to use the Open Libraary as one of the use case
<GordonD> +1 karen - linked data + how we get there - most of what
i'm doing is the latter
mpanzer: the discussions here touched the issue of how linked data
relate to the SW
... how we release data silos , how to relate library standards like
FRBR and FRSAD to the SW standards/linked data
...in addition to putting them on the topic list, but also need to
have f-t-face meetings.
emma: please try to raise some of these items for the agenda
Upcoming topics
-- RDA To be discussed in august.
IFLA
<GordonD> add frbr, frad, frsad to upcoming topics
<kcoyle> Gordon? :-)
<edsu> kcoyle?
<edsu> :-)
emma: anyone is interested in preparing something about RDA?
emma: we do not have today
Gordon: Aug. will be difficult. Sept will be better
emma: Gordon will put on something for discussion in Sept. agenda
ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for
discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
-- Comments on the NISO Institutional Identifier (I2) Working Group
(WG) midterm report ->
[38]http://www.niso.org/workrooms/i2/midtermreport/
[38] http://www.niso.org/workrooms/i2/midtermreport/
marcia: I made a page at:
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/NISO-I2
... a summary of comments is available on that page
...Deadline is august 7
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/NISO-I2
emma: everybody agrees on a collective comment (informal)?
<ww> +1
emma: any objection?
... anyone with comment please check marcia's page
edsu: is it worthwhile mentioning RDF?
marcia: it would be great. How to formulate?
edsu: I will formulate a line on the wiki
marcia: background discussion is on the Discussion page of the wiki
page
... for example MARC
... people could check that aspect
ACTION: marcia to send (informal) group's comment on I2 before the
deadline for comments [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
<marcia> emma: any other business?
emma: adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: everyone to create use cases on the "use case note"
page [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes .
Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: marcia to send (informal) group's comment on I2 before
the deadline for comments [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
teshttp://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minut
eshttp://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minute
s.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for
discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
[PENDING] ACTION: everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
[DONE] ACTION: Alexander, kai, emma to populate the template for use
cases [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] ->
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Dat
a_Enrichment ->
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Prese
rvation
[DONE] ACTION: antoine to check cross linking between the two wikis
[recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: stu, alexander, kai and emma to suggest another
version of the template. [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0047.h
tml
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action03
[47] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Preservation
[49] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action01
[50] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action05
[51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0047.html
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