- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:35:48 -0500
- To: "public-xg-lld" <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
The minutes of our call today are at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/09-lld-minutes.html.
A text version follows.
Jeff
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
09 Dec 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Dec/0030.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/12/09-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
antoine, emma, aconstan, Jodi, jeff_, rsinger, AlexanderH,
asaf, ww, kcoyle, edsu, kefo, rayd, gneher, uldis, felix
Regrets
Anette, Gordon, Joachim, Jon, Kai, Kim, Lars, Marcia,
Michael, Peter, Tom
Chair
Antoine
Scribe
Jeff
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]DRAFT OUTLINE FOR FINAL REPORT
3. [7]USE CASES AND CASE STUDIES
4. [8]OTHER WIKI PAGES - LINKS, GLOSSARIES...
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<antoine> Previous:
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> Scribe: Jeff
<antoine> scribenick: jeff_
ADMIN
<antoine> previous call:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: accept minutes of previous meeting
<scribe> ACTION: Remove PAUL WALK'S TOOL AND ANALYSIS from Agenda
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [DONE]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action02
DRAFT OUTLINE FOR FINAL REPORT
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to add "LOD curriculum" into
"recommendations" section of Outline, and benefits into an
Introduction [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action03
<antoine>
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Runnin
gAgenda&oldid=2306
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=RunningAgenda&oldid=2306
USE CASES AND CASE STUDIES
antoine: This week's focus is on the archives cluster.
<antoine>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Cluster:_Arch
ives_and_heterogeneous_data
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Cluster:_Archives_and_heterogeneous_data
<emma>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
karen: The use cases for archive linked data include targeting other
institutions. ... Linked Data can be used to facilitate consortia
building.
antoine: Is there overlap between library and archive data?
emma: Yes, linked data can be used to federate access data across
library archives and museums
... by relating items in generalized terms of "subject", "people",
"places", etc.
... These broader terms allow archives to relate heterogeneous
materials.
karen: the connections between disparate things can be made in
topical ways.
<antoine> context?
emma: the archives cluster is unusual because it is less concerned
with common metadata vocabularies and more concerned about context.
<marcia> +emma
karen: Archives have different kinds of goals.
<emma>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
emma: the cluster document includes goals and discussion from
publisher and user POVs.
... DESCRIBE is about creating information
... SHARE is concerned with object descriptions beyond bibliographic
items.
... The idea is to share information between insitutions as much as
communicate with end users
... with a need to map or share common models across different
domains.
<antoine> +1 FEDERATE as a kind of DISCOVER/SEARCH
emma: FEDERATE: is a form of DISCOVER over many sources and
different domains.
... MANAGE: is different from discovery in the sense of professional
use (e.g. library management).
antoine: these goals seem to be higher levels than the other general
goals that have been proposed.
karen: the DESCRIBE goal is more of a cataloging function and seen
as broader than identification.
antoine: Does FEDERATE relate to AGGREGATE?
... is AGGREGATE a "means" for FEDERATE?
<Asaf> there's federate, and there's federated search.
karen: there are subtle differences in meaning
<Asaf> to me, federate is the one-time establishing of an interface
between two data stores, which would facilitate future federated
searches.
emma: These seem to be different perspectives ... on how related
resources are clustered.
Asaf: FEDERATE puts interface in place
... could be a federated SPARQL query
karen: The difference between FEDERATE and AGGREGATE does need to be
clearer.
<Asaf> FEDERATE: offer search capability over mutiple data sources
emma: FEDERATE assumes several stores and is thus different from
AGGREGATE
karen: Presumably both fall under search and discovery.
antoine: AGGREGATE seems to be an act on its own.
<marcia> federated seemed to target to make deep web documents
searchable
karen: FEDERATE is an action performed on more than one store.
<marcia> those not on surface to be aggregated by, for example,
search engines
emma: The goals in this cluster may not align with general goals
... they seem to be higher-level
<monica> one other way to define federate and aggregate is, federate
is send a search term to remote source, and bring back only results,
aggregate is to pool all possible metadata locally then do the
search
antoine: it seems OK to add these goals to the general list and
worry about reconciling them later
<marcia> I am in meeting
<marcia> *in meeting all day
<monica> that's a specific Z39.50 vs OAI-PMH distinction though so
will probably apply to only a subset of our audiences
antoine: marcia is invited to follow up via email
<marcia> * OK.
antoine: Moving on to cases, Europeana may fall into several of
these use goals.
emma: want to go through the concrete use cases again to make sure
the mappings to various goals are accounted for.
<marcia> *need to go now. Will folow up on email.
antoine: all are encourage to send feedback
emma: A template for curating clusters would help guide the
development of the document.
<emma> see citation cluster
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
antoine: citation cluster is well aligned to suggestions last week
... 1) background
... 2) extracted use cases and scenarios
...3) relevant technologies and vocabularies ... but we need allow
for some freedom
... it seems possible that all clusters could be aligned in this
general direction, though.
<edsu> kai: thanks
<edsu> emma pasted above
<antoine>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
<scribe> ACTION: Citation cluster group to place Google Docs
document into XG Wiki [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action01
ed: We tried to take Google docs and reformulate it into the Wiki
... scenarios section and a use case section
... vocabularies section
... and a section at the end for miscellaneous
antoine: sections seem to align well with archives cluster
ed: feedback is welcome
<scribe> ACTION: Monica and JISC colleagues to introduce and discuss
JISC work on next call [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action02
OTHER WIKI PAGES - LINKS, GLOSSARIES...
antoine: what is the CKAN volunteer status?
ww: when you create your account profile, you should fill in your
name to make your identity clear.
... contact ww to volunteer your help as a curator.
antoine: need more volunteers
... this will be a useful way to structure the community.
<scribe> ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid
credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded
in [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04
<ww> kcoyle++
karen: is there a tag to bring together bibliographic datasets?
<edsu> thanks karen, i was missing that too :-)
<jodi> maybe it's in ww's instructions?
<jodi> I'm not sure--but if we choose one, let's add i there!
<jodi> it
karen: Is there a way to connect "linked" and "bibliographic"
datasets?
ww: We need a convention.
... The current intersection between bibliographic and linked is LLD
... There is a tool that checks properties to see if the resources
are dereferencable. It would be better to mark them as such, though.
<emma> twitter tag is lldata
<Asaf> ww: is the tool world-accessible?
<ww> [23]http://ckan.net/group/lld
[23] http://ckan.net/group/lld
<Asaf> thanks
<ww> [24]http://packages.python.org/curate/
[24] http://packages.python.org/curate/
ww: The tool is still rough, but should get better.
<edsu> sorry i missed the wiki page for instructions, i see the ckan
group page links to
[25]http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/D
ataSets/CKANmetainformation ?
[25] http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/CKANmetainformation
<jodi>
[26]http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkedLibraryData
/Datasets/CKANmetainformation
[26] http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkedLibraryData/Datasets/CKANmetainformation
<jodi>
[27]http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/D
ataSets/CKANmetainformation
[27] http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/CKANmetainformation
<jodi> someone needs to be tasked with coming up with a tag, I guess
ww: The suggestion is that CKAN should inherit tags from others
where possible and develop more specific ones as needed.
RESOLUTION: need to tag dataset with LLD in CKAN and add it to the
LLD group
contact ww to become a curator by creating an account (indicating
your real name) and asking him to add you.
karen: how can we take existing sets and add them to our group?
ww: They can be added to the LLD page. Instructions to follow...
antoine: That's all for this week. Meeting ajourned.
<jodi> bye!
<edsu> cheers
<aconstan> bye
<monica> bye
Summary of Action Items
[PENDING] ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid
credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded
in [28]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Monica and JISC colleagues to introduce and
discuss JISC work on next call [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Monica and JISC colleagues to introduce and
discuss JISC work on next call [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: volunteers to send login information to william
waite to curate CKAN [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design
discussions [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to curate archive cluster for end
of december [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Antoine and Michael to curate vocabulary alignment
cluster for end of december [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Gordon and Martin to curate bibliographic data
cluster for end of december [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Alexander to curate authority data
cluster for end of december [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Kai and Ed to curate citations cluster for end of
december [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark (and Jodi and Asaf) to curate digital objects
cluster for end of december [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general
purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching
feature [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case
DATA.SEARCH-OPTIMIZATION [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies
page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23‑lld‑minu
tes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: GordonD and Antoine to study use cases that relate
to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action02
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action02
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action02
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action07
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action05
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action06
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action03
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action04
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24%E2%80%91lld%E2%80%91minutes.html#action04
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24%E2%80%91lld%E2%80%91minutes.html#action06
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23%E2%80%91lld%E2%80%91minutes.html#action01
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to add "LOD curriculum" into
"recommendations" section of Outline, and benefits into an
Introduction [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Citation cluster group to place Google Docs document
into XG Wiki [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Remove PAUL WALK'S TOOL AND ANALYSIS from Agenda
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action03
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action01
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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