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Re: why Berlin?

From: Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:22:58 +0200
Message-ID: <BANLkTikSPVZ9A0sAMpNNUuNECe_C24Cb3g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Daniel Harris <daniel@kendra.org.uk>
Cc: public-xg-federatedsocialweb <public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org>
Evgeny Morozov says that if back then there had been Facebook and Twitter,
the Berlin Wall would still be standing [1]

But yes, +1 to bringing people together. That's the idea of the Global Civil
The Federated Social Web will converge the technical network structure with
the social network structure.


[1] See http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/leikbqEI12hh/ at time

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Daniel Harris <daniel@kendra.org.uk>wrote:

> Cool stuff. I don't misunderstand the Berlin wall, by the way. ;-) It was a
> great event. I'm just asking that we focus on the positive aspect of when it
> came down. When the people came together. As you say "people rushed over and
> started kissing each other". Beautiful! It's all a question of the point of
> view. What I wish us to focus on is what happened to the people when the
> wall came down. They came together. As you say, we (in this group) come with
> "tools that can link everything together". Yes, yes, yes! Can we emphasise
> that aspect of linking/bringing stuff/people together?
> A tweet, ay? Hmm...
> Berlin is where [a] people came together. Join us there to start bringing
> together all the others.
> I know it's not right but you get my drift?
> I, personally, in my day to day life right now, identify with
> linking/bringing stuff/people together much more than breaking anything
> down.
> Let's talk about the benefits to us all, the people.
> Cheers Daniel
> On 13 May 2011, at 09:47, Henry Story wrote:
> > On 13 May 2011, at 10:28, Daniel Harris wrote:
> >
> >> There is an unfortunate philosophy pervading through society at the
> moment that we've got to destroy what exists before we can then build our
> new, beautiful, better world. And I see all the children are picking up:
> that in order to solve a problem you have to "take it out". It's unfortunate
> because what we see if an incredible amount of destruction in the name of
> building a better world. Also by the time we have destroyed the old world we
> are so exhausted that we haven't got the energy to build anything better.
> ;-/
> >>
> >> But, that is not what's going on here! We are build better tools for a
> better world! So, let's just "accentuate the positive" in the language we
> use. Let's just describe what we are actually doing. We're building a better
> world.
> >
> > Ah that is to misunderstand the Berlin wall. Its fall was not an act of
> destruction. It was about the end of a futile confrontation between titans
> that were set to destroy the world. As you can imagine it was not the Berlin
> wall that kept them physically apart. If you go to Berlin you will see the
> wall is not that thick and it was painted with interesting graffiti
> http://www.berlinwallart.com/ . No the Wall was a state of mind, that made
> each side think they had the answer to all the worlds problem, that all had
> to be done one way. It was a symbol of non-communication. Tearing the wall
> down was an act of pacifism, not of violence. In fact right after the fall
> of the wall, people rushed over and started kissing each other.
> >
> >
> >> The old world will wither, die and rot from disuse and neglect. No need
> to break it. Let's not focus our attention on the old world at all. Every
> look back is and moment lost in looking forward. Let's keep our focus on the
> new world we are building.
> >>
> >> I don't see any of us with a hammer is our hands. I see us all using
> tools for creation. I am not breaking anything. I building.
> >
> > A hammer is a good tool. But we come with all kinds of other tools of
> course. Power connectivity tools that can link everything together.
> >
> >>
> >> So, please, let's buck the trend of solving problems by "taking the bad
> stuff out". We're not doing that anyway. We're breaking nothing. We're
> building everything!
> >>
> >> Get it? ;-)
> >
> > yes, but now put all that in one tweet! :-)
> >
> >>
> >> I told you I'm a bit of a stickler for language and the psychological
> effects there of. ;-)
> >>
> >> Cheers Daniel
> >>
> >> On 12 May 2011, at 18:41, Markus Sabadello wrote:
> >>> Hi Henry, yes, nice analogy :)
> >>>
> >>> Personally I consider the "breaking down the walls" part the
> straightforward first step.
> >>> The second step is then to build new communication patterns and
> services that we can't really imagine yet in today's centralized and
> homogeneous social networks.
> >>>
> >>> Markus
> >>> --
> >>> blog: http://danubechannel.com
> >>> phone: +43 664 3154848
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> This could be the tagline on the top of the
> http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/ page
> >>>>
> >>>> Berlin is where the first wall fell. Join us there to start breaking
> down all the others.
> >>>>
> >>>> Henry
> >>>>
> >>>> PS. see the picture in http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2008/Papers/MSNWS/
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