- From: Jean-Claude MARTIN <martin@limsi.fr>
- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:56:31 +0100 (CET)
- To: "Marc Schroeder" <schroed@dfki.de>
- Cc: martin@limsi.fr, "EMOXG-public" <public-xg-emotion@w3.org>, "Burkhardt, Felix" <felix.burkhardt@t-systems.com>
Hi Marc, Thanks for your clarification about the vocabularies. Yes, I will write examples of EmotionML for the "manual annotation" use case by next Tuesday. Apologies for having missed today's meeting (I was travelling). I will be able to attend the meeting planned on Novembre 13th. Best, Jean-Claude > Dear Jean-Claude, > > thanks for your reply, and thanks for offering your help. The issue of > plug-in vocabularies will have to be dealt with carefully, but in the > next group -- between now and the end of the group's lifetime (20 > November) there is only just enough time to write the final report. I > will happily come back to your offer when we are at the stage of > defining default vocabularies...!! > > At this stage, your help would be very appreciated in writing examples > of EmotionML for the "manual annotation" use case. If you are familiar > enough to write EmotionML directly, that would be perfect; else, you > could write some "pseudo-code" and send it to Felix, who has volunteered > to translate into EmotionML in case you would be willing to write some > examples. > > As time is really short, do you think you can do that by Tuesday at the > latest? > > Thanks a lot, and best wishes, > Marc > > > Jean-Claude MARTIN schrieb: >> Dear Marc, >> >> The new format of the "emotion" tag is fine for me >> and I can understand it can be prefered to "affect" for practical >> reasons. >> >> It leaves some open questions to "plug-in vocabularies". >> Is there anything planned to this respect? >> What will be the format of these vocabularies? (eg a raw text file with >> one label per line ?) >> Would it be relevant to host some on the HUMAINE portal? >> They will be of importance to ensure consistent use of the Emotion >> language >> and re-usability. >> >> Would this be relevant, I could contribute to the report >> by writing some examples of vocabularies (eg basic emotions, occ). >> >> Best, >> >> Jean-Claude MARTIN >> LIMSI-CNRS >> >> >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I would like to pick out one issue from the minutes of the face-to-face >>> meeting, to see if the group as a whole agrees: the discussion and >>> consensus over Core 1 "Type of emotion-related phenomenon". See the >>> minutes of f2f session 4 at [1]. >>> >>> In summary, there was consensus at the face-to-face to use a simple >>> <emotion> element, with no attribute "type" and no >>> "emotion-related-states-set" either. Instead, the type of >>> emotion-related state would be encoded in the set of descriptors used. >>> For example: >>> >>> <emotion> >>> <category set="myMoods" name="depressed"/> >>> </emotion> >>> >>> >>> There are two kinds of reasons for this choice, practical and >>> conceptual. >>> >>> Practical reasons for the simplified format >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Practically, it seems cumbersome to write, every time that we want to >>> give an annotation of a mood, >>> >>> <emotion type="mood" set="some-set-of-affective-types"> >>> <category set="myMoods" name="depressed"/> >>> </emotion> >>> >>> or >>> >>> <affect type="mood" set="some-set-of-affective-types"> >>> <category set="myMoods" name="depressed"/> >>> </affect> >>> >>> There seems to be a real danger to be drowned in "scientific overhead" >>> to an extent that inhibits everyday adoption of the format. >>> >>> The reason why <emotion> seems more appropriate than <affect> or >>> <state> >>> is the plugin nature of the EmotionML. Users will have an intuitive >>> understanding of what an <emotion> is; for <affect> or <state>, that is >>> less clear. >>> >>> >>> Conceptual reasons for the simplified format >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Conceptually, the definition of affective state was actually happening >>> at two levels independently: on the one hand, the affect type; on the >>> other hand, the set of categories or dimensions to use. >>> >>> It seems very easy to do nonsensical things with the combination of >>> affect type and plugin set. For example, an affect type of "mood" could >>> be combined with <appraisals> and <action-tendencies>, which does not >>> appear scientifically meaningful if mood is defined as a feeling state >>> with no strong relation to specific events. >>> >>> Similarly, it would be possible to mix up vocabularies intended for one >>> type of affective state with the annotation of another type of >>> affective >>> state, such as: >>> >>> <affect type="interpersonal-stance" set="some-set-of-affective-types"> >>> <category set="myMoods" name="depressed"/> >>> </affect> >>> >>> >>> Only in the hands of very careful experts who know what they are doing >>> is this kind of tool "safe" -- for our intended users, most of whom >>> will >>> not be experts in emotion theory, this amount of expressive power seems >>> just too much. >>> >>> >>> Benefits of the simpler model >>> ----------------------------- >>> >>> The advantages of the simpler format, unanimously preferred at the >>> face-to-face meeting, appear to be: >>> >>> * simple form >>> >>> * tag name understandable for the non-expert >>> >>> * different types of affective states can still be described by using >>> plugin vocabularies. >>> >>> >>> I would like to invite, in particular, those in the group who have >>> expressed their preference for one of the options for Core 1 previously >>> to consider the above arguments and to state whether they could live >>> with the simpler model. >>> >>> There is no time at this stage for a lengthy discussion, as efforts in >>> the remaining 2 1/2 weeks do need to be focused on writing the final >>> report (of which I will circulate a draft on Monday). However, I feel >>> it >>> is important to know if the f2f result can be considered a "consensus" >>> in the group as a whole, or if an issue note should be added explaining >>> the different points of view. >>> >>> Thanks, and best regards, >>> Marc >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Oct/0018.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Marc Schröder, Senior Researcher at DFKI GmbH >>> Coordinator EU FP7 Project SEMAINE http://www.semaine-project.eu >>> Chair W3C Emotion ML Incubator http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion >>> Portal Editor http://emotion-research.net >>> Team Leader DFKI Speech Group http://mary.dfki.de >>> Project Leader DFG project PAVOQUE http://mary.dfki.de/pavoque >>> >>> Homepage: http://www.dfki.de/~schroed >>> Email: schroed@dfki.de >>> Phone: +49-681-302-5303 >>> Postal address: DFKI GmbH, Campus D3_2, Stuhlsatzenhausweg 3, D-66123 >>> Saarbrücken, Germany >>> -- >>> Official DFKI coordinates: >>> Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH >>> Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany >>> Geschaeftsfuehrung: >>> Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender) >>> Dr. Walter Olthoff >>> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes >>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Dr. Marc Schröder, Senior Researcher at DFKI GmbH > Coordinator EU FP7 Project SEMAINE http://www.semaine-project.eu > Chair W3C Emotion ML Incubator http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion > Portal Editor http://emotion-research.net > Team Leader DFKI Speech Group http://mary.dfki.de > > Homepage: http://www.dfki.de/~schroed > Email: schroed@dfki.de > Phone: +49-681-302-5303 > Postal address: DFKI GmbH, Campus D3_2, Stuhlsatzenhausweg 3, D-66123 > Saarbrücken, Germany > -- > Official DFKI coordinates: > Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH > Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany > Geschaeftsfuehrung: > Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender) > Dr. Walter Olthoff > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes > Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313 >
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