- From: Andrej Verity <verity@un.org>
- Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 12:47:15 +0800
- To: public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>
- Cc: Carsten Kessler <carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, "public-emergency@w3.org" <public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org, Uberto Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>
Yes - XLS is better than nothing. Although they seem to enjoy changing their output occasionally :-( There is a lot of great discussions ongoing in country. We have been working with the OpenGov people locally as well as the some of the agencies responsible for baseline geo-datasets. It seems that we might be very close to having the Philippines government to opening the geo-database (e.g. admin boundaries, p-codes, etc) with a license that could be integrated into OSM --- which would be a big milestone! Slowly, slowly. But having people in-country to talk to the government face-to-face is really helping. Andrej ----------------- Andrej Verity Emergency Information Management Response - Philippines UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Mob: +63-917-597-4789 Swiss: +41-79-444-5046 Email: verity@un.org Skype: andrejverity LinkedIn: andrejverity Twitter: andrejverity From: public-xg-eiif@w3.org To: Andrej Verity <verity@un.org> Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, Carsten Kessler <carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>, "public-emergency@w3.org" <public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org, Uberto Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu> Date: 11/29/2013 05:29 PM Subject: Re: one more thing schema.org? Sent by: public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org Dear Andrej, thank you for the update. Surely sharing data on XLS is "more then nothing", but it's still far from a real interoperability scenario based on open standards. So still a long way to go. We're technically managing the EU Project IDIRA (www.idira.eu) were we're putting together open standards and web based platforms for helping big disasters. Feel free to have a look and, of course, I can provide some more details of what is today's in the project website. Massimo www.iessolutions.eu On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andrej Verity <verity@un.org> wrote: Dear all, Having troubles keeping up with emails given that I am in the Philippines responding. In regards to this comment copied below, we have access to a bunch of the government's data in XLS and we are working on getting more. [Trust me, this is an improvement since 2009 when OCHA spent a lot of time with the government explaining the importance of even putting data into something simple like XLS to share]. DSWD actively shares their data through email. We are working on NDRRMC as they have it in XLS, but they do not pro-actively share it. One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report released by the Philippines Government. http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use. It contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality for about 650 municipalities. There may be other tables as well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked. There are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included. Simon: nice maps on the site! Some are duplication of what are being produced by others (including in-country teams), but I will share them & link them to the in-country (operationally-aimed) response website: https://philippines.humanitarianresponse.info/ Cheers, Andrej ----------------- Andrej Verity Emergency Information Management Response - Philippines UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Mob: +63-917-597-4789 Swiss: +41-79-444-5046 Email: verity@un.org Skype: andrejverity LinkedIn: andrejverity Twitter: andrejverity From: public-xg-eiif@w3.org To: Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Carsten Kessler < carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, "public-emergency@w3.org" < public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, Uberto Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org> Date: 11/28/2013 10:34 PM Subject: one more thing schema.org? Sent by: public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org Sorry for the string of emails, its the neurons firing up all at once that trigger them :-) just a side note. is anyone working on EM data for schema.org? should we cook something up based on the EIIF framework? thanks PDM On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks a lot for responses @Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give overview we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something! @Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on list and look forward to collaboration opportunities @all One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including limited knowhow and people resources. However this seems to be changing, because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based technologies by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture etcetera We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the proposed schema, or any other schema If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small workshop, or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a page http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s) Please join the community and give input freely, thanks PDM On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi < m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> wrote: Dear Paola, very interesting points indeed. For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited" in incident notification, since 2006. As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief overview http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article about the topic! 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If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify me by email at the above address. Thank you. On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: Just a quick correction and a follow up thought (sorry a bit in a hurry yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end) 1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella (looking back at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good imho) 2. Ideally, information providers would adopt shared schemas (which could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come true, the framework can be used to map and create interoperability between different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent 3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do to make the framework more useful and promote its adoption? Thanks!! PDM On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: Simon cc public emergency community public xg eiif list thanks for sharing from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things :-)* one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open information professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my perspective, it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data sharing policy in practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF to xml or other web friendly format is a technical formality that is relatively trivial when the policy is transparent In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work myself and other folks have done before, http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind the vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the information schemas used in the original dataset currently available in PDF , are not optimized for web based representation/exchange (havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a framework that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to ensure integrity of the data http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/ if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the framework In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be interested in working with you folks to write a paper about this effort. Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the progress being made in this space GIS rocks P On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <simonbjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call. I've been busy all day and have only just picked this up. For future use my ID is simon_b_johnson. As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data online before or has any open data policy. The British Red Cross GIS team is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative rather than anything passed down from management. One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report released by the Philippines Government. http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use. It contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality for about 650 municipalities. There may be other tables as well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked. There are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included. In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are currently sharing publicly in other formats. I'm thinking it would also be a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be of use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next humanitarian crisis. We could also see what other data we commonly do share that might not fall within hxl's current spec. Currently I'm not expecting much overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with whatever we have. To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the following links: http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/ (There's a lot, but it is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down) A quick background on the GIS team here. We are relatively new (only 2 years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team. The only experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side. We do have a technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw at the task and see how it goes. We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated. I'm sure once we get started we will be returning with a few more questions. Thanks Simon On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote: Hi Simon, I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind? Cheers, Carsten On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me know your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there today. Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too. > > Daniel > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Humanitarian Exchange Language" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hxlproject+...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Humanitarian Exchange Language" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to hxlproject+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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