- From: Paul Denning <pauld@mitre.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:31:02 -0500
- To: WS Choreography <public-ws-chor@w3.org>
See WS-Notification http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2004-01-20-a.html Paul At 01:22 PM 2004-02-12, Burdett, David wrote: >Steve > >Giving this a bit of thought makes me think that the essence of pub-sub is >... > >1. The publisher sets up a service that accepts subscriptions requests and >changes for some other service that actually publishes documents/messages. > >2. The subscriber then requests subscription to a service by sending a >messge which then gets either accepted or rejected. > >3. When the subscriber makes the request, they must include some kind of >"delivery address" that identifies where documents/messages etc, generated >by the publisher must be sent > >4. If the request is accepted, then the publisher will return some kind of >"identifier" for the subscription that can later be used when changing or >cancelling the subscription > >5. The publisher starts publishing documents. This is a one-way message >although it might be delivered reliably >6. The publisher continues publishing documents until: a) the subscription >is cancelled, or b) the subscription runs-out, e.g. a certain period of >time has passed, a specific number of messages/documents have been >received, the subscriber hasn't paid. > > From a CDL perspective, the "delivery address" is what the Overview Model > calls a "Channel". This means that to use it, we need to have a way of > representing the Channel in XML and decie how it should be included in > the message. My thoughts would be the body. > >The rest sounds to me like a pretty regular Choreography Definition with >dependencies, e.g. you can't cancel a subscription unless you managed to >subscribe to it successfully. > >Another question is should such a Pub-Sub Choreography be standardized as >I am sure the need for Pub-Sub goes beyond WS Chor. For example you could >imagine a definition that allowed you to manage a subscription to any web >service then later cancel it. However you would need standard XML docs to >be used as Message Content for the Interactions in the Pub Sub. > >Also where should such a spec be developed ... by WSDL, by WS Chor? I'm >not sure I know the answer to that one. > >David > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ross-Talbot >[<mailto:steve@enigmatec.net>mailto:steve@enigmatec.net] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:41 AM >To: WS Choreography >Subject: Fwd: WSDL and pub/sub > > >How does this leave our stuff wrt the Barros usecase? > >Cheers > >Steve T > >Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com> > > Date: 11 February 2004 20:44:41 GMT > > To: "Steve Ross-Talbot" <steve@enigmatec.net> > > Subject: RE: WSDL and pub/sub > > > > WSDL 2.0 part 3 [1] describes some message exchange patterns that can > > be > > used as part of a pub/sub solution. Look at all the "out-*" patterns > > starting at section 3.4. A complete pub/sub solution is not provided, > > as the address and mechanics of "sub"ing and providing the address for > > the "pub" to be delivered are not standardized in WSDL (perhaps this is > > an orchestration problem?). Note that the HTTP and SOAP bindings don't > > support these message exchange patterns yet, but we have an issue open > > on whether we should rectify this. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > [1] > > > <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20->http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20- > > > patterns. > > html#out-only > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Steve Ross-Talbot > [<mailto:steve@enigmatec.net>mailto:steve@enigmatec.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:07 AM > >> To: Jonathan Marsh > >> Subject: WSDL and pub/sub > >> > >> Jonathan, > >> > >> I seem to recollect that you indiciated that WSDL2.0 includes an MEP > > or > >> some such facility to represent pub/sub as a means of communication. > >> Could you verify this? And could you point me to the appropriate > >> description? This is something that the Choreography WG would very > > much > >> like to have so that a single message could be sent to multiple > >> sources without needing to bind to those sources. > >> > >> > >> Best Regards > >> > >> Steve Ross-Talbot > >> co-Chair W3C Web Services Choreography > >> > >> O: +44 207 397 8207 > >> C: +44 7855 268 848 > >> www.enigmatec.net
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