- From: Mark Little <mark.little@arjuna.com>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:14:49 +0100
- To: "Furniss, Peter" <Peter.Furniss@choreology.com>, "Assaf Arkin" <arkin@intalio.com>, "Ricky Ho" <riho@cisco.com>
- Cc: <public-ws-chor@w3.org>
> > For atomic transactions you don't need prepare or commit, you are > > working at a higher level than the code and all that needs to be > > prepared or committed should be done by the engine for you. > > That assumes the participant side implementation treats atomic > transactions by delegating all resource operations to transaction-aware > RMs. That's certainly possible, but doesn't seem to be essential. It's not essential, but should be supported. > > > For BA > > transactions you don't have prepare or commit, every response is an > > indication that all previous steps have been completed (prepared and > > committed). You do need a way to cancel, but this can be done > > by a fault > > handler (the terminate fault). And you do need a way to > > compensate and > > this is done by a compensation handler. > > It's a major bug in the current WS-T that it exposes, in the inter-party > protocol, how the participant handles its resources and delivers on its > "promise" to obey a subsequent cancel. Is it appropriate to give pros and cons of one transaction protocol over another? When I mentioned WS-C and BTP I meant only that WS-C allows different coordination protocols (multi-phase) to be plugged in whereas BTP is tied to two-phase. That was not a statement of pros or cons, merely fact. If we go down your route then we could get bogged down in "my protocol is better than yours" and I don't think we should. Let's keep this at an abstract level. Mark. > That seems inappropriate to this > world of "loosely coupled" systems. Obviously, in some cases, the > contract between the systems may cover the degree of exposure of the > intermediate results, and in what circumstances faults might occur (WS-T > BA cannot communicate a failure of committed, closed transaction because > it is locked to a perform, compensate approach). But that's detail on > the fundamental, common to any coordination pattern, that all the > players have to make their final state dependent on a single decision > (strictly, all but one, since the decider can be a resource-holder). > > Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > Peter Furniss > Chief Scientist, Choreology Ltd > > Cohesions 1.0 (TM) > Business transaction management software for application coordination > > web: http://www.choreology.com > email: peter.furniss@choreology.com > phone: +44 20 7670 1679 > direct: +44 20 7670 1783 > mobile: +44 7951 536168 > 13 Austin Friars, London EC2N 2JX > >
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