- From: Jean-Jacques Dubray <jjd@eigner.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:46:50 -0400
- To: "'Assaf Arkin'" <arkin@intalio.com>, "'Burdett, David'" <david.burdett@commerceone.com>
- Cc: "'Jean-Jacques Dubray'" <jjd@eigner.com>, <Daniel_Austin@grainger.com>, <public-ws-chor@w3.org>
I don't understand your argument, why won't you get everything for free as long as you have a binding to WSDL whether it is direct or let's say indirect for the lack of a better word. The advantage of the later is that in addition of getting everything the ws-arch has to offer, you can also re-use the formalism of ws-chor for other technologies. Having a "binding" framework that relates ws-chor to WSDL garanties that the design of ws-chor is now decoupled from the evolution of WSDL, we would only change the binding not the core choreography language. We can clearly see the limitations of a tight coupling between BPML or BPEL and web services, now that WSDL is shifting from operations to MEPs, one has to adjust the corresponding specs. Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________ Chief Architect Eigner Precision Lifecycle Management 200 Fifth Avenue Waltham, MA 02451 781-472-6317 jjd@eigner.com www.eigner.com >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Assaf Arkin [mailto:arkin@intalio.com] >>Sent: Montag, 12. Mai 2003 19:07 >>To: Burdett, David >>Cc: 'Jean-Jacques Dubray'; Daniel_Austin@grainger.com; public-ws- >>chor@w3.org >>Subject: Re: Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement >> >>My take on this: >> >>In reviewing other specifications in this space including security (the >>WS-Security stack, SAML, etc), coordination (WS-TX and BTP), reliable >>messaging (WS-RM(1) and WS-RM(2)) and even not yet discussed >>specifications such as WS-Policy, WS-Addressing, management specs, etc, >>they all seem to be recommend that we write choreographies using WSDL >>operations. >> >>These specification will either add additional dimensions by referencing >>the same WSDL operation we reference, or by being part of the protocol >>binding used by that WSDL operation (in effect also referencing them) >>when it comes time to actually exchange messages. >> >>So clearly the way to go is to write a choroegraphy definition by >>referencing WSDL operations. Then you get everything else that works >>with WSDL for free, including stuff that's available now and specs we >>anticipate will be standardized in the near future. >> >>Of course this only works with that list of specifications and relates >>specifications that are part of the WS stack. The question then becomes, >>are there other specifications we want to support that work in different >>ways indicating that we need to keep our options open? >> >>arkin >> >> >>Burdett, David wrote: >> >>>I find myself agreeing with JJ again when he says ... >>> >>>[JJ] yes, one of the value of the spec could be to offer a binding to >>>WSDL but remain open to other bindings. >>> >>>I think this is an important principle if only because, as bindings >>evolve, >>>which they surely will to support security, reliability etc, then only >>our >>>binding will need to change, the main spec, hopefull, should not need to >>>change. >>> >>>My $0.02c >>> >>>David >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:jjd@eigner.com] >>>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:09 PM >>>To: Daniel_Austin@grainger.com; jjd@eigner.com >>>Cc: public-ws-chor@w3.org >>>Subject: RE: Straw-man Proposal for our mission statement >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> I don't necessarily buy the argument that we are only talking >>>>> >>>>> >>>about >>> >>> >>>>>the interactions between one WSDL-ized object and another. WSDL is >>>>> >>>>> >>>just >>> >>> >>>>>one >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >>-- >>"Those who can, do; those who can't, make screenshots" >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Assaf Arkin arkin@intalio.com >>Intalio Inc. www.intalio.com >>The Business Process Management Company (650) 577 4700 >> >> >>This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and >>may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. >>If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination of this >>communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication >>in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments >>and notify us immediately.
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