- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:20:17 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2020/09/21-wot-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking the notes, Zoltan! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WoT Scripting API 21 Sep 2020 Attendees Present Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis Regrets Chair Zoltan Scribe zkis Contents * [2]Topics 1. [3]Past minutes 2. [4]TypeScript definitions 3. [5]Publication schedule 4. [6]PR 264, https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/264 * [7]Summary of Action Items * [8]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <scribe> scribe: zkis Past minutes <kaz> [9]Sep-14 [9] https://www.w3.org/2020/09/14-wot-minutes.html Zoltan: any objections for accepting the past minutes? none Past minutes accepted. TypeScript definitions Cristiano: some questions, the problem is that we are defining the Scripting API in 2 different ways ... one is defining a global object ... other times we accept a namespace that is not global ... the problem is this doesn't work as it's not recognized as a namespace ... we need to change the TypeScript definitions Zoltan: and also the Scripting API? <kaz> [10]index.d.ts [10] https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/tree/master/typescript Cristiano: we should find a way to make the TS definition work in the browser as well Daniel: we had a discussion on node-wot and all proposals had some problem Zoltan: do we have a Scripting issue for this? [11]https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/215 [11] https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/215 Zoltan: relevant opinion: [12]https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/3#issuecomm ent-283746764 ... so, 1) the root object should not be constructable ... 2) if it has no state, then a namespace is OK ... 3) if it has state, has to be a global object ... we also have conformance classes, we can group along those [12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/3#issuecomment-283746764 Daniel: there was a lot of discussion since the workarounds had issues Cristiano: the recommended way is not to define a global variable, but use a namespace ... since making a global variable will duplicate the functions Zoltan: we should also keep in mind future functionality like management interface, that could be a new conformance class, namespace or global object Cristiano: if we export as namespace WoT, it worked ... we don't have a global variable in node-wot ... we could have 2 TS definition files ... or if we have one TS definition, we need to explain this vs modules/namespace/global object Daniel: we'd like that everyone could use the same TS definition Cristiano: the problem is that it works if we create a runtime, but doesn't work from inside a runtime Zoltan: subnamespaces? Cristiano: not supported in TS Daniel: if we just declare the namespace WoT, would it work? Cristiano: we don't have a module then ... so we cannot import it as it was a module Daniel: could the implementation manage the module vs implementation transparently so that code like WoT.consume() works? Cristiano: for short term, I could make a PR to test with node-wot and trying to make it work Daniel: we could have a playground for testing these ideas on npm ... we could have a snapshot to play with, in a branch Zoltan: if there are effects on the Scripting API, please update the issue Publication schedule Zoltan: we need to clear the open issues Daniel: we probably cannot close all issues Kaz: publication for FPWD/FPWGN does not have to be perfect Zoltan: FPWD or a Note? Kaz: First Public WG Note if we change the name and the shortname URL ... we could also change the name to e.g. Scripting API 1.1 Zoltan: I would vote for just updating the current publication Daniel: agree, no jumps just evolutionary change Kaz: there will be several difficult points all the time ... the suggestion is to go ahead and publish Daniel: yes, and there will be remaining issues ... IMHO all Web IDL related issues should go in ... for instance the current PR (#264), but improving the text could be done later ... so I would not postpone it long, because it needs to be implemented and tested Zoltan: how long we need for publication Kaz: a week of group review and addressing feedback Zoltan: it means we need to complete all changes by the group call on Wednesday Kaz: got it, but note that there will be no group calls during F2F. also probably it would be difficult for people to review the updated draft during the PlugFest next week too PR 264, [13]https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/264 [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/264 Zoltan: there is a pretty new API to check for idioms, [14]https://wicg.github.io/cookie-store/ [14] https://wicg.github.io/cookie-store/ Daniel: have a question for multiple consecutive optional args Zoltan: should work Cristiano: I agree, it should work Zoltan: we need to check it for TypeScript ... dictionary and function are nullable so it should be OK ... we also want to create an issue for defining PropertyMap as record instead Daniel: the Web IDL change looks good Cristiano: looks okay, are we ok to create the new pattern with Subscription Zoltan: yes, it is ok. Also check the Cookie Store API for when to use an event and when a subscription function Cristiano: question about unsubscribe Form Zoltan: raised that issue in the TD TF and asked for help in the group call ... now we have a proposed algorithm, but could be improved Cristiano: until when can this PR be commented on? Zoltan: I would make a constraint for the TD to defined unsubscribe Forms together with subscribe Forms Cristiano: would be good design but would break the TD spec ... we need to discuss this in the TD ... we should issue a separate issue for that Zoltan: right Daniel: like a generic "how to find an unsubscribe Form for a subscribe Form" <scribe> ACTION: ZK to file an issue at the TD spec adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: ZK to file an issue at the TD spec Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by David Booth's [15]scribe.perl version ([16]CVS log) $Date: 2020/09/28 08:02:59 $ [15] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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