[TD-TF] minutes - 30 September 2020

available at:
  https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-wot-td-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Daniel!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                              WoT-WG TD-TF

30 Sep 2020

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_30.2C_2020

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima,
          Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner

   Regrets

   Chair
          Sebastian

   Scribe
          dape

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Minutes approval
         2. [5]TD session next week
         3. [6]TD@TPAC
         4. [7]Preparation for FPWD TD 1.1 , PRs
            https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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   <scribe> scribe: dape

   <scribe> scribeNick: dape

Minutes approval

   --> [10]https://www.w3.org/2020/09/23-wot-td-minutes.html

     [10] https://www.w3.org/2020/09/23-wot-td-minutes.html

   Sebastian: discussed many PRs
   ... some were merged
   ... others need further discussions

   -> minutes approved

TD session next week

   Sebastian: everyone is busy
   ... suggest to cancel the call
   ... would like to make all decisions today

   McCool: few clean-up things will remain
   ... might be to you Sebastian

   Kaz: Suggest to get back to the topic after the call today

   Sebastian: Makes sense

TD@TPAC

   Sebastian: see agenda,
   [11]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2020

     [11] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2020

Preparation for FPWD TD 1.1 , PRs
[12]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls

   <kaz> [13]PR 960

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/960

   Sebastian: PR#960,
   [14]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/960
   ... new entry in default

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/960

   Daniel: Correct

   Cristiano: Agree to merge

   Daniel: Issue, changed index instead of template

   Sebastian: conflict anyway

   Daniel: OK, will resolve conflict and ping SK

   Sebastian: No concerns, will merge after updates were made
   ... PR#945,
   [15]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/945

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/945

   McCool: comment mentions that breaks interoeprability
   ... defer to 2.0

   Sebastian: Okay
   ... PR#944,
   [16]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/944

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/944

   McCool: could be done for 1.1
   ... Ege mentioned that there are no implementations
   ... recursive schemes allowed?
   ... need to document use case
   ... prefer to allow recursion
   ... however suggest adding "at risk" label

   Ege: w.r.t. recursive: limit steps ?

   McCool: flattening is possible
   ... editors note can explain the algorithm
   ... profile can limit recursion
   ... proxy use case might need recursion

   Ege: proxies might need a *new* TD anyway

   McCool: need combinations
   ... listing is possible but get verbose

   Ege: I don't think we should go for recursive complexity

   Kaz: related to thing model discussion
   ... I think we need clear use case description

   McCool: I have use case in mind. Need to write it up
   ... can add editors note
   ... please create issue and assign it to me (McCool)

   Sebastian: Suggest merging it
   ... conflicts need to be resolved

   McCool: OK, will resolve conflicts and merge

   Sebastian: PR#943,
   [17]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/943

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/943

   McCool: Need to discuss it with JSON-LD
   ... suggest merging it and mark it "at risk"

   Sebastian: Conflicts need to be resolved

   McCool: will fix it

   Sebastian: ok for merging, no objections
   ... PR#938,
   [18]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/938
   ... thing model moved
   ... integrated feedback from MMC
   ... some minor fixes the recent days

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/938

   McCool: Q: How to handle JSON Schema, what is the difference
   ... suggest we create issue: having JSON schema for thing model

   Sebastian: added also note that the work is still in progress
   ... believe it's a good starting point

   McCool: agree with merging

   Sebastian: created issue, see
   [19]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/972

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/972

   McCool: could also use a patch for the differences

   Sebastian: PR#869,
   [20]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/869

     [20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/869

   Daniel: Need to decide whether addition is useful
   ... list of possible content types

   Sebastian: Yes, i think it is just a suggestions

   Cristiano: Same problem Ege mentioned
   ... no implementation is ready
   ... mark it "at risk" ?
   ... reasonable to add it
   ... never tried to implement it

   Sebastian: Instead of MAY we can use also weaker term

   Cristiano: In the end it is a problem of the implementation

   <Ege> somebody called me, I am back online

   Cristiano: can provide some hints

   Ege: "implementations" could be just a TD having these terms

   Cristiano: I think we need a test with a consumer

   Ege: agree, but this is the case for many assertions

   Sebastian: Shall we mark it at risk?

   Cristiano: Makes sense

   Ege: CBOR would just work.. other is more complex

   Sebastian: Would be OK to merge it today/tomorrow

   Kaz: You will send a message about review to the group list
   tomorrow?

   Sebastian: Yes
   ... OK, that leads to have no TD meeting next week
   ... I am optimistic that we re in time for publication

   <kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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