- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 00:04:16 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2020/07/23-wot-arch-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks, Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WoT Architecture 23 Jul 2020 [2]Agenda [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Agenda Attendees Present Call 1: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura Call 2: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima Regrets Chair Lagally Scribe kaz Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Call 1 1. [5]Prev minutes 2. [6]Schedule alternatives 3. [7]Profiles 4. [8]Issue 17 2. [9]Call 2 1. [10]Prev minutes 2. [11]Profiles * [12]Summary of Action Items * [13]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ Call 1 Prev minutes [14]July-16 [14] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/16-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: (goes through the minutes) ... can we approve the minutes? (no objections) Lagally: approved Schedule alternatives [15]Doodle poll [15] https://doodle.com/poll/wtxn2wffxvd8fuvy Lagally: will send a reminder to the whole group Kaz: the results imply the current marketing slot would be the best ... let's talk about that during the marketing call today Sebastian: yes, let's talk about that ... anyway, we need to search for a better slot for marketing Lagally: tx! ... Sebastian, we need your input as well esp. for the profile discussion Sebastian: ok Profiles Lagally: let's look into the issues [16]wot-profile issues [16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues [17]issue 7 [17] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/7 Lagally: McCool's proposal to reduce number of goals or differentiate ... the common understanding so far is creating a single profile as a starting point ... (adds a comment to issue 7) Sebastian: wondering if we could have more additional profiles ... the resolution made last week doesn't say "a single profile" Lagally: right ... do we want to start with multiple ones? Sebastian: we should clarify our point ... this is a baseline with one profile which provides a guideline ... and then how to extend it ... if people have some legacy mechanisms, don't have to follow that ... we should clarify which kind of use cases to be addressed by the "core profile" ... we should discuss that Lagally: we should have more discussion about that during this Architecture call ... what the central points for interoperability ... starting with one core profile and think about extending it ... people can use the core profile as the basis Sebastian: definitely agree to the idea of profiles ... but a bit concerned about how to deal with it ... we should be careful how to communicate with implementers outside W3C ... who are working on IoT based on the market needs ... might need to work on various different technologies ... what kind of protocol could be used for what, etc. ... should consider the actual benefit of having profiles ... would be better to provide multiple solutions Lagally: completely agree ... we shouldn't exclude people working on MQTT, etc. ... if we support only one protocols, that would not be good ... we have to discuss the details and find a solution ... (shows the initial draft) [18]initial draft of wot-profile [18] https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ Kaz: we can concentrate on the core profile for the FPWD ... and put the other possible profiles into "other expected profiles" section ... after getting consensus, we can move them one by one to the main body Lagally: agree ... regarding issue 7 itself, it's asking us to reduce the number of the profiles ... and we've already reduced the number ... we have a consolidated requirements for profiles as well here [19]requirements.md [19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/master/REQUIREMENTS/requirements.md Lagally: (adds some more comments to issue 7) Sebastian: seems to be reasonable Kaz: Ben's last comment for issue 7 is kind of old (in 2019) ... so let's give this update and see his response Lagally: ok ... let's keep this issue 7 open and see his response [20]Lagally's comments based on the discussion today [20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/7#issuecomment-662845278 Issue 17 [21]issue 17 - vocabulary not in TD context [21] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/17 Sebastian: Section 4.1.2.2 list a number of vocabulary (e.g., softwareRevision, loc_latitude,...) that are not mention in the TD specification yet. [22]section 4.1.2.2 of wot-profile draft [22] https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#recommended-practice- Sebastian: this is listed for the core profile ... but no new term is clearly defined Lagally: we have practical knowledge based on our PlugFest efforts ... but the knowledge requires some baseline for interoperability Kaz: regarding the terminology definition itself, we can start with listing undefined terms with "to be defined" :) ... e.g. softwareRevision: TBD Lagally: (adds comments to issue 17) ... our intention is not to divere from the TD spec or define duplicate entities Kaz: we can move the possible new terminology section to the Architecture draft or the TD draft later if needed ... but starting with listing necessary terms would make sense Lagally: ok [23]Lagally's comments to issue 17 based on the discussion today [23] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/17#issuecomment-662848481 Lagally: we have to look into the Architecture issues as well ... now we can quickly skim the initial draft wot-profile [24]initial draft wot-profile [24] https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ Lagally: (and then create another issue) ... profile is not exclusive ... add text that explains that the TD can be used without restriction for all purposes Sebastian: we can discuss the detail for the issue next time [25]new issue 18 [25] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/18 Lagally: would it be OK to use this initial draft as the basis of further discussion? Sebastian: let's work on that so that we can publish the FPWD in September ... btw, I should be also part of the Editors to give updates Lagally: tx! ... aob for today? (none) [call 1 adjourned] __________________________________________________________ Call 2 Prev minutes [26]July-16 [26] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/16-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: (goes through the minutes) (no objections) Profiles <mlagally___> propsal: Use the current strawman document as the baseline for the Profile specification RESOLUTION: Use the current strawman document as the baseline for the Profile specification <mlagally___> proposal: Accepting the following requirements for the FPWD: Interoperability, Limit and reduce complexity, Eliminate ambiguities, Limit resource consumption, finite set of features and capabilities, follow security and privacy best practices subject to group feedback RESOLUTION: Accepting the following requirements for the FPWD: Interoperability, Limit and reduce complexity, Eliminate ambiguities, Limit resource consumption, finite set of features and capabilities, follow security and privacy best practices subject to group feedback <Mizushima> [27]wot-profile issue 16 [27] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/16 Lagally: adding co-Editors McCool: fine to be added Lagally: would merge PR16 as is right away ... we can add McCool and Sebastian later McCool: ok [28]Issue 17 [28] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/17 McCool: we should start with the main ontology ... the question is if we would limit extensions, e.g., do we want to let OneDM, etc., to be included in the profiles? Lagally: have been working vocabulary from our PlugFests McCool: we need to think more about testing side for the PlugFest work Kaz: as I proposed during the first call, regarding this issue 17 from Sebastian itself, I'd like to suggest we clarify which term is defined and which is not ... and think about the concrete definition later McCool: yeah, we should respond to Sebastian ... note that we should not fragment because a profile TD is still a valid TD ... we might want to define a limited frozen set of extension [29]Lagally's comment [29] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/17#issuecomment-663085750 [30]Issue 8 [30] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/8 Lagally: (adds a label of "defer to 2.0"and removed the "requirement" label) [adjourned] Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions 1. [31]Use the current strawman document as the baseline for the Profile specification 2. [32]Accepting the following requirements for the FPWD: Interoperability, Limit and reduce complexity, Eliminate ambiguities, Limit resource consumption, finite set of features and capabilities, follow security and privacy best practices subject to group feedback [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by David Booth's [33]scribe.perl version ([34]CVS log) $Date: 2020/07/27 04:29:05 $ [33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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