[wot-ig/wg] minutes - 25 September 2019

available at:
  https://www.w3.org/2019/09/25-wot-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Dave!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

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                               WoT-IG/WG

25 Sep 2019

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_Sept_2019

Attendees

   Present
          dezell, Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ben_Francis,
          Dave_Raggett, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Takahisa_Suzuki,
          Taki_Kamiya, Zoltan_Kis, Kunihiko_Toumura,
          Michael_Koster

   Regrets

   Chair
          McCool

   Scribe
          dsr

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]WoT IG AC Review Reminder
         2. [5]Marketing
         3. [6]Group liaisons
         4. [7]Presentations from TPAC 2019
         5. [8]Normative Privacy Guidelines
         6. [9]Web Things Protocol CG charter
         7. [10]WG charter updates
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     * [12]Summary of Resolutions
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   <McCool> agenda:
   [13]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_Sept_201
   9

     [13] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_Sept_2019

   <scribe> scribenick: dsr

   McCool: I have been talking to the venue host in Singapore and
   they have space, but 4 round tables, so I have asked them for
   alternatives

   I would like to have book it on the Intel budget if the group
   agrees

   The other logistical thing is the time for the chairs call. I
   suggest that we switch the hour immediately prior to this call

   <mjkoster> [14]https://github.com/t2trg/wishi/wiki

     [14] https://github.com/t2trg/wishi/wiki

   <mjkoster> there's no agenda posted yet

   One of needs to go to the Friday call in respect to the
   workshop

   sebastian: how will the workshop be structured, can we propose
   some topics?

   McCool: I would like to talk about discovery, for instance
   ... we could also raise the whole management thing

   mjkoster: we could ask them to take responsibility to work on
   the XXX vocabulary

   sebastian: +1 on myside for a coap vocab

   mjkoster: restful actions and events is an interesting topic

   <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to mention IG Charter review (by Oct
   11)

   <kaz> [15]AC review for WoT IG proposed Charter (Member-only)

     [15]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2019JulSep/0042.html

   McCool: we have time to work on the detail list of workshop
   topic we want to discuss

WoT IG AC Review Reminder

   Kaz reminds us to chase our respective AC Reps as a matter of
   urgency - see above email for a link to the Review

   mjkoster: I will respond on behalf of Samsung

   McCool: currently we only have a quarter of the responses we
   need to get the charter approved
   ... please review the Fukuoka F2F minutes and we will approve
   them in the next call

Marketing

   McCool: we have various things for the Marketing task force to
   work on, and hence we should go ahead and create the task force
   and arrange for a wiki page and regular webex call

   asks people who are interested to attend the Marketing TF call
   on Mondays

   <kaz> (Kaz will ask Naomi about her availability for the
   marketing call.)

   sebastian: what is the time of the call?

   McCool: 8am EST, 1pm UK, 2pm Germany, 9pm Korea and Japan.

   We do have the time zone change chaos coming up …

   Kaz: late October for USA, and 2 weeks later for Europe

   <inserted> [5am Pacific, 8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm EU, 9pm Japan
   (till Oct 27)]

   McCool: our calls are tied to Boston (EST), right?

   Kaz: yes

   McCool: anything else [no]

Group liaisons

   We met with several groups during TPAC: Decentralized
   Identifiers, Edge Computing, Privacy and JSON-LD

   McCool: I am looking after Privacy and Edge Computing.

   JSON-LD Victor

   Who is interested in liaising with DID WG?

   dezell_: I am given that I am a member of that WG

   McCool: it would be good to get an invited presentation on
   their main objectives

   Kaz: what about the media and entertainment IG, we spoke about
   a joint call on December 3rd

   McCool: yes, also we want to get someone from the Accessibility
   IG to join our group

   Kaz: possibly Josh from the W3C staff

Presentations from TPAC 2019

   <mjkoster> (sorry, have to drop off now)

   McCool: please add your presentations from TPAC to this
   directory

   <McCool>
   [16]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_Sept_201
   9

     [16] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#25_Sept_2019

   When reviewing the minutes missing presentations will be marked
   TBD

Normative Privacy Guidelines

   Certain people felt that WoT WG should be taking a more
   normative approach, and that the CR should incorporate this

   Our current charter extension runs until December 2019, the
   last date for a CR submission is 3rd week in Octobe

   I sent an email to the Privacy IG seeking agreement on a
   timeslot for joint work

   We need to work on a strawman privacy section rather than
   having the guidelines spread throughout the spec

   The Security TF needs to propose this new wording

   McCool: I can’t personally make the next Security TF call on
   Monday

   We should move the call to Tuesday instead

   We need someone from the Privacy IG to work with us actively
   rather than wait for a review at the end

   let’s create a doodle poll for a call next week

   let’s share this with the Privacy IG

   McCool: I seem to remember Tuesday 7am EST as our first
   suggestion

   Kaz: I will create the poll for you

   McCool: let’s pick a time for next week now and use the poll
   for subsequent calls

   <taki> [17]previous doodle for security

     [17] https://doodle.com/poll/uygq7wtn75syw8h2

   Kaz: I will also create a webex for the telecon

   sebastian: we need a reference example that we can learn from
   when writing our own text

   Kaz: this is the first occasion that the PING IG have asked for
   a normative section, so that’s why I think we needed to talk
   with PLH and Ralph

   Ralph was okay with our proposed direction

   McCool: we need to make protecting the TD mandatory

   There are cases where you don’t want to provide the URI for a
   TD, but sometimes a temporary URI would be acceptable

   Kaz: we need to focus on satisfying the W3C Director and moving
   the spec forward

   McCool: there’s a big discussion within W3C on the appropriate
   role of privacy, and we’re kind of a test case for that

   right now we have mostly informative statements, some of which
   we can make normative

   making TD ID’s optional is more contensious

   Dave: could we ask Sam to represent us and help find a way
   forward?

   McCool: The person who was most vocal in the TPAC meeting was
   Tom

   We probably want a W3C Member person not a staff person

Web Things Protocol CG charter

   McCool: everyone needs to read this and be ready to ask
   questions next week

   we don’t have adequate time today

   Ben: there is an email on the IG list that introduces the CG’s
   aims

   <inserted> [18]email thread on the Web Thing Protocol CG on the
   WoT IG list

     [18]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2019Sep/0007.html

   <benfrancis> Yes, that thread.

WG charter updates

   McCool: We may want to adjust the timeline given the delays for
   the CR

   If you have suggestions for the charter, please follow the
   process I outlined

   Does anyone have an objection to a WG Charter call next week on
   Thursday

   I think a single meeting should be sufficient to wrap up the
   charter

   <kaz> [thursday: 4am Pacific, 7am Eeastern, noon UK, 1pm EU,
   8pm Japan is the current Charter slot]

   McCool asks kaz to set up a doodle poll and ensure that Michael
   Lagally is included

   Let’s look for a variety of times on Thursday

   Kaz: I can do that, but let’s not forget the need for a
   Discovery TF slot

   McCool: the Discovery TF is lower priority but could take the
   same slot in subsequent weeks

   The scripting discussion is likely to be deferred until 2 weeks
   from now

   Zoltan: what should we do in the meantime?

   McCool: we need to discuss where it fits into our charter, who
   should we collaborate with? should we have a management API,
   etc.

   I want to work on a better template for use cases and
   requirements

   this would allow us to better justify the scripting work

   I would be happy to have a private call with zkis if that would
   help in the meantime

   we are out of time for today’s call? Any other business?

   Kaz: just got a response from PING Chair. PING IG’s next call
   is on Oct 3

   McCool: we should prepare the ground in the meantime

   Ben: I provided some feedback on the charter a while back and
   am seeking a response

   <kaz> [Kaz will generate 3 doodle polls: WG Charter, Security
   and Discovery]

   <kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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