WoT Core Profile

Hi Michael L. and Michael K.,

thanks for sharing your proposal. However, we have some concerns about such direction. Is there an issue which we can use for discussion? Let's avoid email ping-pong.

BR
Sebastian



From: Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 11:04
To: public-wot-wg@w3.org; Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>
Cc: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Subject: Re: [wot-ig/wg] minutes - 10 July 2019

Dear WoT members,

I just uploaded the slides with the "WoT Core Profile" proposal I presented during the call.

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/proposals/WoT%20Interoperability-Core%20Profile-final.pdf<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwot%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fproposals%2FWoT+Interoperability-Core+Profile-final.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Csebastian.kaebisch%40siemens.com%7C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C1%7C636987785106005107&sdata=nF9RjFpKgSZnXlbbpFU0YT7T7%2F%2FQPFEMu5JTYPOapAU%3D&reserved=0>

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,

Michael


On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:04, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org<mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote:

available at:
 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_2019_07_10-2Dwot-2Dminutes.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=hCjMtAxRscBPHz_7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g&e=<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__www.w3.org_2019_07_10-2Dwot-2Dminutes.html%26d%3DDwIBaQ%26c%3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE%26r%3DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE%26m%3DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw%26s%3DhCjMtAxRscBPHz_7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csebastian.kaebisch%40siemens.com%7C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C636987785106015102&sdata=PKiMVbqxLh%2FqsEalrXLAXVzuc2F5XkfoT6tMAmX3kPQ%3D&reserved=0>

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Ege!

Kazuyuki

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  [1]W3C

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                              - DRAFT -

                              Wot-IG/WG

10 Jul 2019

Attendees

  Present
         Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan,
         Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally,
         Takahisa_Suzuki, Taki_Kamiya, Ryuichi_Matsukura,
         Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster, Zoltan_Kis,
         Tetsushi_Matsuda

  Regrets
         Sebastian_Kaebisch

  Chair
         McCool

  Scribe
         ege

Contents

    * [2]Topics
        1. [3]Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation
        2. [4]W3C Data Modesl for Transportation WS
        3. [5]IETF 105 Montereal (Jly 20-27) and WISHI/OPC
           meeting (July 19)
        4. [6]Old documents
        5. [7]WG Charter Extension
        6. [8]IG Charter under review
        7. [9]TPAC planning
        8. [10]Core profile proposal
        9. [11]TF reports
       10. [12]PlugFest call
    * [13]Summary of Action Items
    * [14]Summary of Resolutions
    __________________________________________________________

  <kaz> scribenick: ege

Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation

  <kaz> [15]TPAC registration

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  <kaz> [16]Accommodation

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W3C Data Modesl for Transportation WS

  McCool: can taki attend the workshop for data models

  <kaz> [17]workshop cfp page (12-13 Sep., Palo Alto, US)

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  Taki: I haven't booked flights so I can attend this workshop
  and fly from there
  ... physically I am ok

  McCool: a proposal together?

  Kaz: like for our workshop, a statement

  Taki: then I can submit today

  <kaz> [18]application form

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  McCool: summarizing what we have done

IETF 105 Montereal (Jly 20-27) and WISHI/OPC meeting (July 19)

  McCool: there is a wishi meeting and hackathon
  ... michael koster is participating
  ... any other conference that is relevant?

  Koster: friday 19th we are having a meeting with OMA

  <mjkoster> this is the agenda for the IETF T2TRG/OMA meeting on
  Friday the 19th

  <mjkoster> [19]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_t2trg_2019-2D07-2Doma&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=6nQcKg8J65Lu3dX9AEd1v4XoPNGUazGj8GJXyDNjESw&e=<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__github.com_t2trg_2019-2D07-2Doma%26d%3DDwIBaQ%26c%3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE%26r%3DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE%26m%3DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw%26s%3D6nQcKg8J65Lu3dX9AEd1v4XoPNGUazGj8GJXyDNjESw%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csebastian.kaebisch%40siemens.com%7C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C636987785106045082&sdata=zIx1dgbMCN%2FGjTLEB9KoqnS54WPaEgmIXKFRtUS85Dw%3D&reserved=0>

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  McCool: I kind of invited myself to that

Old documents

  Daniel: googling td on google shows up an old TD proposal that
  is still marked with a recent date

  Daniel: it is called JSON Web Thing Description

  McCool: this shouldn't even be there, it looks like an official
  document

  Ege: it is not actually published at this date

  Kaz: it's just a date respec generates, isn't it?

  McCool: looks like it

  Daniel: it is in our repo so we can simply remove it

  Kaz: we have to tell the Authors/Editors of those old documents
  gently before removing the documents to remove it

  McCool: maybe we can put in an archive subdirectory

  <kaz> [20]proposal directory

    [20] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wot_tree_master_proposals&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=jopvE9p8YGbpXmEz5TbHgg_0icBZeJAVKintEl4Cn6I&e=<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__github.com_w3c_wot_tree_master_proposals%26d%3DDwIBaQ%26c%3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE%26r%3DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE%26m%3DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw%26s%3DjopvE9p8YGbpXmEz5TbHgg_0icBZeJAVKintEl4Cn6I%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csebastian.kaebisch%40siemens.com%7C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C636987785106055078&sdata=cFmbBC%2FZqdYqIxQzBr2%2FI2GRAVf%2F2UXiBZgC2Bp431c%3D&reserved=0>

  McCool: there are a lot of documents in here

  Kaz: maybe just change the "proposal" folder name to "archive"

  <kaz> [21]old architecture directory

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  (mm creates a directory called ARCHIVE under proposals)

  Lagally: there is a folder called architecture that should not
  be in the wot main repo

  Koster: I think it is better to keep the folder names but
  simply moving everything under archive

  McCool: (works on cleaning up the main directory)

  Kaz: if it is ok for Lagally, we can move the old
  "architecture" directory under "proposals" first
  ... and then ask all the editors of old documents about if it's
  ok to change the name of "proposals" to "archive"

  <Zakim> dape, you wanted to assign someone to check github for
  outdated information (to put into ARCHIVE folder)

  McCool: writing an email to the list
  ... need to look at what is old, like 2 years

WG Charter Extension

  McCool: 6-month exension to WG has been approved (till Dec 31)

  (Kaz is working on the AC announcement.)

IG Charter under review

  <kaz> [22]Wendy's comment

    [22] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wot_issues_835&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=njdoLa6pN49mXz5VmERpiV6wtmRRAL5FWwuljO_C4u0&e=<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__github.com_w3c_wot_issues_835%26d%3DDwIBaQ%26c%3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE%26r%3DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE%26m%3DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw%26s%3DnjdoLa6pN49mXz5VmERpiV6wtmRRAL5FWwuljO_C4u0%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Csebastian.kaebisch%40siemens.com%7C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C636987785106065070&sdata=8jV0PsXsWaXGJKFFNUYOy14tLikcIw6RyxT98G9%2BHyY%3D&reserved=0>

  McCool: giving a wiki site for exploration
  ... maybe don't need for clarifications on all the bullet
  points?
  ... some things are intentionally vague?

  <kaz> [23]Proposed IG Charter

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  McCool: (looks at the PRs by wendy)
  ... let's merge the charted PR

  <kaz> (some minor conflict and McCool will look into it later)

  Kaz: we'd like clarification from alan bird

  <kaz> [24]Alan's comment for IG Charter (Member-only)

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  McCool: we have proposed a clear sentence for this comment to
  be added
  ... I will ping him and ask him

TPAC planning

  Kaz: any joint meeting ideas?

  McCool: JSON-LD and accesibility would be good
  ... for Monday, Sep 16 (18:30-22:30)
  ... I can go to dev meetup
  ... other attendees can write their names here but you have to
  register first

Core profile proposal

  Lagally: reviews from companies and individuals show some
  issues
  ... you have now a formal way of describing devices
  ... each time a new class of device comes, we can get
  un-interoperability
  ... so we need profiles that can guarantee usability of the
  device
  ... so we need some constraints
  ... having only one form
  ... having string or array of strings, causes an overhead
  ... constraint on objects, not nested
  ... not permitting security on lower levels, only one at the
  top level
  ... constraints on protocol, having only http

  McCool: what reduces complexity and what reduces
  interoperability
  ... so we should have two categories

  Lagally: so that constrained devices will be easier to support
  ... we can have multiple profiles

  McCool: we can look at the test results and focus on features
  that are implemented by 3+ implementations

  Lagally: but what is there as an example to validate the spec
  and what is an actual product?

  McCool: we can also add to check what uses HTTP or other
  profiles

  Ege: mozilla also talked about having action semantics (a queue
  for running actions etc.) so maybe we should look into specific
  behavior of interactions

  Lagally: interesting point to look into
  ... where would a new implementer find a guide to do a first
  implementation
  ... high level constaints
  ... (talks about the bullet points of the last slide)
  ... I was thinking of specifying a default profile
  ... the proposal is to have a very easy to implement profile
  ... I am working on a list of constraints

  McCool: I would keep it simple

  Lagally: the difficult part would be to define the simple one,
  a complex one is easier to define but something that can
  satisfy 80% use cases

  <Zakim> dape, you wanted to think about ways to identify
  capabablities.. profile handshake?

  Daniel: handshake definition

  McCool: Lagally is proposing the simplest possible
  ... there will be very probably multiple profiles, smart home
  and industrial for example

  Lagally: you can do anything, just that if you stick to the
  core profile you have a guarantee of wider usability

  McCool: we need to clarify what are the allowed extensions

  Lagally: I expect to have a draft within a week

TF reports

  [Thing Description]

  <kaz> [25]Jul-5 TD minutes (member-only)

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  Ege: protocol bindings will be with TD calls and I will be
  co-editor of the spec

  [Archtiecture]

  <kaz> [26]Jul-4 Arch minutes (member-only)

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  Lagally: architecture - we read the comments of David Baron
  ... device management is out of scope
  ... we had some useful comments
  ... like missing links for the external links
  ... they also didn't understand what will happen if you parse
  JSON or JSON-LD

  <inserted> kaz: note that I sent another reminder to TAG and
  mentioned it might be going to make sense to have a joint call
  with them to clarify their questions.

  McCool: IETF is happening in two weeks

  Lagally: I would organize the call next week then
  ... saying that this would be a deadline for us since the week
  after there will be the IETF meeting

  Kaz: Daniel Applequist, Yves Lafon and David Baron should be
  involved
  ... we should clarify their viewpoints as TAG as a whole

  [Scripting API]

  <kaz> (no call on July 8 but updates from Zoltan)

  scribenick: egekorkan

  Zoltan: so there are some projects that are already using web
  of things
  ... and they need some help

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  McCool: we have extensions
  ... but how do you do in the scripting api

  Zoltan: scripting is orthogonal

  [Security]

  McCool: security is handled out of hand

  Zoltan: in payments it is transparent, it is happening in the
  backend

PlugFest call

  McCool: 5 mins break before the plugfest

  Lagally: let's stay on this call

  <kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  [End of minutes]
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