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[wot-usecases] minutes - 7 September 2021

From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 21:45:06 +0900
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To: public-wot-ig@w3.org, public-wot-wg@w3.org
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  https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-wot-uc-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks,

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

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                             WoT Use Cases

07 September 2021

   [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#Agenda_7.9.
      [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-wot-uc-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool,
          Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima

   Regrets
          -

   Chair
          Lagally

   Scribe
          kaz

Contents

    1. [4]Minutes
    2. [5]ECHONET use case
    3. [6]AOB
    4. [7]Summary of resolutions

Meeting minutes

  Minutes

   [8]Aug-3

      [8] https://www.w3.org/2021/08/03-wot-uc-minutes.html

   Lagally: (goes through the minutes)
   … will follow up Conexxus

   McCool: btw, there was some information on industry cases of
   WoT during the Marketing call

   Lagally: minutes approved

   [9]Aug-31

      [9] https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-wot-uc-minutes.html

   McCool: (gives summary)

   Lagally: this use case itself is quite simple on smart homes

   Kaz: right
   … we should handle geofencing, etc., separately from this use
   case
   … and can generate another separate use case about that as a
   horizontal use case

   Lagally: ok
   … btw, what's the status on the liaison with OGC?

   McCool: talking with Christine
   … it seems there is an IEEE WG on geospatial data as well

   Kaz: we should have a joint session with them during TPAC

   McCool: yeah
   … another question is how to manage the geolocation data
   … along with time-series data

   Kaz: we can start with some basic discussion based on use cases

   McCool: yeah

   Lagally: for concrete extensions, we should be careful about
   our Charter
   … current Charter or the next one
   … e.g., clustering things

   McCool: thinking about orchestration
   … are we just concern about grouping the status?
   … or what do we want to achieve?

   Lagally: seems various topics there
   … including permission management

   McCool: we have things like OAuth now
   … but no standard to manage orchestration
   … e.g., a visitor visiting my home would like to get connected
   with the network at my home

   Kaz: let's approve the minutes first :)

   McCool: yes, the minutes are fine :)
   … regarding the next steps, we have several advanced use cases
   in the pipe

   Lagally: so we added "gaps" to the use case template to clarify
   the gaps
   … what was the conclusion about ECHONET use case description
   itself?

   <sebastian> sorry I have to go

   Kaz: was quickly skimming it again today with Michael Lagally
   ;)

   Lagally: ok. the minutes themselves are approved

  ECHONET use case

   [10]ECHONET use case

     [10] https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/wot-usecase-echonet.md

   (discussion on the "Gaps" section specifically)

   

   controlling multiple devices in an orchestrated manner is
   dependent on the implementation of a client application in the
   current WoT specification

   ]]

   McCool: so there is a gap for multi-vendor orchestration

   Lagally: what level of orchestration is expected?
   … how the ECHONET spec handles orchestration?

   Matsuda: ECHONET Lite Web API spec itself doesn't have
   orchestration capability

   Kaz: ECHONET doesn't have multi-vendor/multi-standard
   orchestration capability, and so they would like to use WoT for
   that purpose

   Matsuda: right. we just wanted to show you that there is a use
   case which can't be implemented with existing standards

   Lagally: what kind of "orchestration" is expected here?

   Matsuda: multiple devices which use multiple data models

   McCool: "orchestration" here is not just operation
   … but also include data
   … so need to maintain the data somewhere
   … btw, ECHONET Lite Web API spec has the device spec and the
   device description
   … more than one access point may be involved

   Kaz: I'm OK with accepting this use case description itself,
   but we should clarify our expectation for "orchestration"
   … based on some concrete scenario, e.g., the conductor work
   with the pianist, violinist, drummer, etc. :)

   McCool: right. and "orchestration" should include
   "configuration management"

   Matsuda: for the moment, we can avoid using the term of
   "orchestration" within our use case

   Kaz: ECHONET is planning to join the Plugfest during TPAC
   … so we can think about actual "orchestration" during the
   Plugfest and its planning
   … note that their spec document is written in Japanese
   … but the most important definition is done by tables which
   include English as well as Japanese
   … so we can refer to part of their spec document

   McCool: right

   Lagally: ok
   … Matsuda-san, what kind of features for "orchestration" or
   "grouping" do you want in addition to your own grouping
   capability?

   Matsuda: things like where to store data, how to handle
   different data from various vendors, etc.

   McCool: we could put them on the document

   Lagally: can we have some more detailed description about the
   gaps?
   … grouping and sequence of actions?

   McCool: note that it would take a few more weeks for them to
   add requirements description
   … since they need to discuss the changes internally

   Lagally: ok

   McCool: wondering about the schedule

   Lagally: let's go for weekly meeting

   McCool: will send an updated invite

   Kaz: can we move ahead with the ECHONET use case itself?
   … can we ask Matsuda-san to generate the HTML description for
   the use case document?

   <mlagally> Proposal: Include ECHONET use case into use cases
   document

   Resolution: Include ECHONET use case into use cases document

  AOB

   Lagally: wondering about outreach

   McCool: could have joint meetings during TPAC

   [11]https://built.itmedia.co.jp/bt/articles/2108/31/
   news030.html

     [11] https://built.itmedia.co.jp/bt/articles/2108/31/news030.html

   Kaz: fyi, as I mentioned during the Marketing call today, big
   companies like Takenaka from Japan have started to use WoT as
   the basis for their IoT systems :)

   Lagally: great!

   [adjoured]

Summary of resolutions

    1. [12]Include ECHONET use case into use cases document


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