- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:27:39 +0900
- To: public-wot-ig@w3.org, public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at:
https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-wot-pf-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks,
Kazuyuki
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- DRAFT -
WoT online PlugFest - Day 3
30 Sep 2020
Attendees
Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Hazel_Kuok, Philipp_Blum,
Kunihiko_Toumura, Ege_Korkan, Cristiano_Aguzzi,
Daniel_Peintner, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Michael_McCool,
Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster
Regrets
Chair
McCool
Scribe
kaz
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Agenda
2. [4]Guests
3. [5]Minutes
4. [6]Updates
5. [7]PRs
6. [8]Scenarios
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<scribe> scribenick: kaz
Agenda
McCool: (updates the agenda)
... anything else?
Cristiano: made a new PR
McCool: ok
Guests
McCool: welcome Philipp, again
Minutes
[11]Sep-29
[11] https://www.w3.org/2020/09/29-wot-pf-minutes.html
McCool: (goes through the minutes)
... talked about geolocation
... merged PRs
... any objections to make the minutes official?
(none)
McCool: approved
Updates
McCool: contacted Farshid but he is still on vacation
... got clarification that the LinkSmart instance is still
available
... will forward the information to the group list
... note that we don't have new query mechanism like SPARQL
... for tomorrow, I'll update the scripts
... that's the status
Kaz: tx for the update!
McCool: synch with the GitHub repo every one hour
PRs
[12]PRs
[12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls
McCool: 4 PRs there
... Hitachi, NHK, and Cristiano
[13]PR 72
[13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/72
Toumura: added geolocation information
McCool: ok
... no problem and merge it
(merged)
[14]PR 73
[14] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/73
McCool: NHK's update
... they have "media" section
... can add this kind of additional section but will not
detected by the validator
... would like to check the detail tomorrow
Ege: I'm afraid this TD will fail with the validator
McCool: there should be "form" section here
... would suggest we think about formal extension for this
purpose
... extension for media handling
Kaz: yeah, this is a good input for the joint discussion on Oct
7 as well
McCool: think so
... and would like to merge this
... (and adds some comments before merging)
(merged)
McCool: and will discuss the detail tomorrow
[15]PR 74
[15] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/74
McCool: would assume this is related NodeRED flow
... adding a TD
... and also updating the active.csv file
... looks good to me
(merged)
[16]PR 75
[16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/75
Cristiano: updates based on yesterday's discussion
... added a note on the extension
The TDs are generated starting from Thing Models provided in
this folder (files with tm-jsonld extension).
]]
McCool: this is actually a JSON-LD file, so should be called
.tm.jsonld
... like .td.jsonld
... could be a long-term suggestion
Cristiano: also security updates
... "nosec_sc" to "basic_sc"
... 2 different user roles here
... and associate them using "link"
... sensor is controlled by another TD
McCool: interesting
... there is a discussion on Architecture as well
Cristiano: another point is geolocation
... you can refer to SOSA
McCool: 3 cases for virtual devices
... 1. shadow devices and physical device
... 2. simulation
... 3. device only visible on AR headset, etc.
... software-only device can be also tied with geolocation
... would like to capture the points
Kaz: yeah
... and this is related to the proposal from MEIG on AR
integration with geolocation information
McCool: (adds comments on his point)
Cristiano: possibly there will be a 4th option
... real device positioned inside a simulation
Ege: information on different things
... humidity sensor and rain forecast
... interconnection between simulated devices
McCool: we have multiple devices
... (adds "mashups" as the 5th option)
... using data from multiple locations
Kaz: those options look fine
... on the other hand, maybe we should think about the
relationship and definition of "digital twin" here
... because in some viewpoint, WoT is a mechanism to make all
the devices "digital twins" via Servient
McCool: (adds a note saying "need to clarify the relationship
between digital twin and WoT")
<Philipp_Blum> q+ How about OLCs regarding this topic?
[17]https://github.com/google/open-location-code Maybe there is
a standard for it.
[17] https://github.com/google/open-location-code
Philipp: question about OLCs
McCool: not listed yet
... we need some more survey and discussion on geolocation
... will merge this now
(merged)
McCool: we have 20 more minutes
Scenarios
McCool: would like to think about the scenarios
... Ege was working on some
[18]scenarios area
[18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/master/events/2020.09.Online/scenarios
Ege: I've added some and would like to see input from others
McCool: would say "Example scenarios" here
... and would like to capture other ones now
... e.g., media content management
... NHK TDs extended with content lists
... and then agriculture things
... Cristiano, any specific scenario in your mind?
Cristiano: WoT farmer application
... not finished yet right now, though
McCool: Siemens has extended the UI with geolocation
... seems to be interested in this
... maybe you might want to work with them
... what do you think, Daniel and Sebastian?
... we had discussion on geolocation yesterday
... Daniel mentioned some extension on geolocation with the UI
Sebastian: ok
... limited use of the interface
McCool: we should write down requirements for geolocation here
... actually creating a map would be useful
... adding a screenshot would be also helpful
... what the use cases and requirements would be
Kaz: think we can ask Rob Smith about their AR game use case
... we can ask the implementation status during the use case
call tomorrow
McCool: (adds that point to the geolocation use case section)
... (also adds "smart city")
Cristiano: some experience on visualization
... could help
... using Open Street Map
McCool: (adds that point too)
... let me save the updated README.md
... (and creates a new issue on "experiment with visualization
in maps")
Daniel: disconnected for a while, but I've been also working on
visualization for geolocation information
McCool: ok
... (and adds the new issue 76 to the README.md)
[19]Issue 76
[19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/76
McCool: next let me see the active devices
[20]active.csv
[20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/master/events/2020.09.Online/active.csv
McCool: (edits the format)
... (and then checks the devices listed there)
Ege: TUM's coffee machine is simulated one
... then sensors and robots
McCool: and then Fujitsu
... proxy and sensor
... then NHK
... not sure about "player emulator", though
... maybe media player feedback
... (adds active devices to the "mashup" section of the
scenario)
... (and then "Siemens coffee machine" and "display on TUM
matrix" to the "Coffee Status" section of the scenario)
Ege: push button on the robots
McCool: push button in TUM, make coffee in Siemens
Cristiano: sprinkler for farming
McCool: first input for Siemens and second input for farming?
... (adds "take first set of TUM displays" to "Coffee machine")
... NHK is doing some work for node-RED integration
Kaz: very interesting
... probably overkill for today but robot UI would imply
possible gesture UI for accessibility in the future
... thanks a lot for all your hard work!
[PF adjourned; TD call starts in 5 mins]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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