- From: Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:27:16 +0200
- To: Sebastian Kaebisch <sebastian.kaebisch@siemens.com>
- Cc: "public-wot-wg@w3.org" <public-wot-wg@w3.org>, Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <D0BEC6F5-17FE-4450-AE29-6C7E5696802F@oracle.com>
Hi Sebastian, we can use tomorrow’s main call for the discussion, which allows us to have a dialog vs just writing github comments. Best regards, Michael > On 16. Jul 2019, at 16:23, Kaebisch, Sebastian <sebastian.kaebisch@siemens.com> wrote: > > Hi Michael L. and Michael K., > > thanks for sharing your proposal. However, we have some concerns about such direction. Is there an issue which we can use for discussion? Let’s avoid email ping-pong. > > BR > Sebastian > > > > From: Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com <mailto:Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>> > Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 11:04 > To: public-wot-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-wot-wg@w3.org>; Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-wot-ig@w3.org>> > Cc: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org <mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> > Subject: Re: [wot-ig/wg] minutes - 10 July 2019 > > Dear WoT members, > > I just uploaded the slides with the "WoT Core Profile" proposal I presented during the call. > > https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/proposals/WoT%20Interoperability-Core%20Profile-final.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwot-252Fblob-252Fmaster-252Fproposals-252FWoT-2BInteroperability-2DCore-2BProfile-2Dfinal.pdf-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C1-257C636987785106005107-26sdata-3DnF9RjFpKgSZnXlbbpFU0YT7T7-252F-252FQPFEMu5JTYPOapAU-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=DHTWdEG84_Ryrtn8N5Kf9x7Tq7Wu6pa_pGoVTB0NUGU&e=> > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Best regards, > > Michael > > > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:04, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org <mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote: > > available at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_2019_07_10-2Dwot-2Dminutes.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=hCjMtAxRscBPHz_7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.w3.org-5F2019-5F07-5F10-2D2Dwot-2D2Dminutes.html-2526d-253DDwIBaQ-2526c-253DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI-5FJnE-2526r-253DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE-2526m-253DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw-2526s-253DhCjMtAxRscBPHz-5F7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C0-257C636987785106015102-26sdata-3DPKiMVbqxLh-252FqsEalrXLAXVzuc2F5XkfoT6tMAmX3kPQ-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=q3DKzAdrXbivtUA5uXL7r-UucAIEFjLfLQh8CJAV9dw&e=> > > also as text below. > > Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Ege! > > Kazuyuki > > --- > > [1]W3C > > [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=smFO1trzUenhscRIJ5X7mKdfrkWyjHPv1dCCxfpiw_c&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttp-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.w3.org-5F-2526d-253DDwIBaQ-2526c-253DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI-5FJnE-2526r-253DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE-2526m-253DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw-2526s-253DsmFO1trzUenhscRIJ5X7mKdfrkWyjHPv1dCCxfpiw-5Fc-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C0-257C636987785106025096-26sdata-3D24dRdFeQiqFcYU0TtiAPbjRppyw-252BVr-252FXrPcG5vsOoJE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=GJtOLokuY5Epe0MyQqbGf7bO9MUfoeQ5ZcmP92p2p8E&e=> > > - DRAFT - > > Wot-IG/WG > > 10 Jul 2019 > > Attendees > > Present > Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, > Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally, > Takahisa_Suzuki, Taki_Kamiya, Ryuichi_Matsukura, > Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster, Zoltan_Kis, > Tetsushi_Matsuda > > Regrets > Sebastian_Kaebisch > > Chair > McCool > > Scribe > ege > > Contents > > * [2]Topics > 1. [3]Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation > 2. [4]W3C Data Modesl for Transportation WS > 3. [5]IETF 105 Montereal (Jly 20-27) and WISHI/OPC > meeting (July 19) > 4. [6]Old documents > 5. [7]WG Charter Extension > 6. [8]IG Charter under review > 7. [9]TPAC planning > 8. [10]Core profile proposal > 9. [11]TF reports > 10. [12]PlugFest call > * [13]Summary of Action Items > * [14]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > <kaz> scribenick: ege > > Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation > > <kaz> [15]TPAC registration > > [15] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_2019_09_TPAC_registration.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=-ppi2A0xt8XdntkhPpsunFI7jHbxtXOF9ZL4Znv-HfE&e= 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I will ping him and ask him > > TPAC planning > > Kaz: any joint meeting ideas? > > McCool: JSON-LD and accesibility would be good > ... for Monday, Sep 16 (18:30-22:30) > ... I can go to dev meetup > ... other attendees can write their names here but you have to > register first > > Core profile proposal > > Lagally: reviews from companies and individuals show some > issues > ... you have now a formal way of describing devices > ... each time a new class of device comes, we can get > un-interoperability > ... so we need profiles that can guarantee usability of the > device > ... so we need some constraints > ... having only one form > ... having string or array of strings, causes an overhead > ... constraint on objects, not nested > ... not permitting security on lower levels, only one at the > top level > ... constraints on protocol, having only http > > McCool: what reduces complexity and what reduces > interoperability > ... so we should have two categories > > Lagally: so that constrained devices will be easier to support > ... we can have multiple profiles > > McCool: we can look at the test results and focus on features > that are implemented by 3+ implementations > > Lagally: but what is there as an example to validate the spec > and what is an actual product? > > McCool: we can also add to check what uses HTTP or other > profiles > > Ege: mozilla also talked about having action semantics (a queue > for running actions etc.) so maybe we should look into specific > behavior of interactions > > Lagally: interesting point to look into > ... where would a new implementer find a guide to do a first > implementation > ... high level constaints > ... (talks about the bullet points of the last slide) > ... I was thinking of specifying a default profile > ... the proposal is to have a very easy to implement profile > ... I am working on a list of constraints > > McCool: I would keep it simple > > Lagally: the difficult part would be to define the simple one, > a complex one is easier to define but something that can > satisfy 80% use cases > > <Zakim> dape, you wanted to think about ways to identify > capabablities.. profile handshake? > > Daniel: handshake definition > > McCool: Lagally is proposing the simplest possible > ... there will be very probably multiple profiles, smart home > and industrial for example > > Lagally: you can do anything, just that if you stick to the > core profile you have a guarantee of wider usability > > McCool: we need to clarify what are the allowed extensions > > Lagally: I expect to have a draft within a week > > TF reports > > [Thing Description] > > <kaz> [25]Jul-5 TD minutes (member-only) > > [25] 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