RE: Comments on simplified JSON thing descriptions

Please understand that I'm not trying to make the JSON proposal sound more
formal than it is, merely to recognise the work of the people who have
contributed to getting it to the stage it is now, who I feel don't always
get recognised.

A serialisation which can be parsed as both JSON and JSON-LD is an
interesting idea I look forward to discussing further.

On 20 Dec 2017 14:11, "Kovatsch, Matthias" <matthias.kovatsch@siemens.com>
wrote:

> Dear Ben
>
> Please note that this was not published as IG Note. It is de facto a
> proposal by three IG Members that uses an incorrect CSS template and
> colloquially is "your proposal" as you are the editor (just like "Dave's
> proposal").
>
> Anyhow, looking forward to your comments! Please understand that the WG
> made a large step toward your TD proposal. The remaining differences are
> more or less bugfixes to achieve meaningful triples when adding a context
> and treating it as JSON-LD. I hope that this will enable us to unite our
> efforts and avoid partitioning the ecosystem...
>
> Happy holidays,
> Matthias
>
>
> Sent from my phone, limitations might apply.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Benjamin Francis [bfrancis@mozilla.com]
> *Received:* Wednesday, 20 Dec 2017, 13:44
> *To:* Dave Raggett [dsr@w3.org]
> *CC:* Public Web of Things IG [public-wot-ig@w3.org]
> *Subject:* Re: Comments on simplified JSON thing descriptions
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm on holiday at the moment and will reply properly to this interesting
> GitHub thread in the new year.
>
> I just wanted to mention that the JSON Web Thing Description
> <https://w3c.github.io/wot/proposals/json-td/index.html> Interest Group
> Note is not "Ben's proposal". It is the starting point of a combined
> proposal from Interest Group members (so far Mozilla, EVRYTHNG and Ambrosus
> Technologies) which builds upon:
>
>    - The Web Thing Model <http://model.webofthings.io/> member submission
>    which was the output of the EU funded COMPOSE project
>    - Mozilla's Web Thing API <https://iot.mozilla.org/wot/> draft member
>    submission which proposes a JSON serialisation and HTTP & WebSockets
>    protocol binding for the Web of Things
>
> The Interest Group Note is the starting point for a task force in the
> Interest Group to further incubate a plain JSON serialisation and
> eventually also an HTTP & WebSockets protocol binding.
>
> I would not necessarily characterise the Interest Group Note as a "subset
> of a more general approach" provided by Dave's proposal
> <https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/proposals/dsr-td/td-draft-spec-dsr.md>
> and I think that proposal may have overlapping but slightly different
> goals. I'd like to better understand those goals, and the motivation for
> trying to combine the JSON and JSON-LD serialisations.
>
> Interestingly I think there are still different ideas about the intended
> use cases of a Web Thing Description and what exactly constitutes the *Web*
> of Things as opposed to the Internet of Things.
>
> Seasons Greetings
>
> Ben
>
> On 20 December 2017 at 08:48, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> My regrets for the the main WoT call as I have an appointment I can't
>> change. Sebastian informed me that in today’s call, there will be a
>> presentation of Ben’s Ben’s simplified thing description proposal.
>>
>> I’ve added some comments on that and invite you to read them and respond,
>> see:
>>
>>      https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/363#issuecomment-352996275
>>
>> In summary: Ben’s proposal is a subset of a more general approach that
>> covers a broader range of requirements, e.g. the ability to pass data with
>> events and actions. In addition, I propose  a general way to address
>> security and synchronisation within the Internet as opposed to the IoT edge
>> protocols. This replace’s Ben’s use of “href” and “links” in his proposal.
>>
>> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett
>> W3C Data Activity Lead & W3C champion for the Web of things
>>
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