- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:05:52 +0900
- To: Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>
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available at:
https://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking notes, Yongjing!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
WoT IG
07 Sep 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-irc
Attendees
Present
Kaz, Johannes, Michael_Koster, Darko, Masato, Uday,
Victor, Yongjing, Aparna, Takuki, Zhang,
Daniel_Peintner, Yingying, Yingying_Chen, Katsuyoshi,
Michael_McCool
Regrets
Matthias
Chair
Darko
Scribe
Yongjing, Kaz
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Hydra and Thing Description
2. [6]Submission of WG Charter draft to W3M
3. [7]Co-chair discussion
4. [8]Joint Call with oneM2M
5. [9]TPAC Preparation
6. [10]Demo setup
7. [11]Roll-up posters
8. [12]Table status reports
9. [13]Presentation of Joint White Paper
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<kaz> scribenick: kaz
Darko: Matthias is not available today and asked me to chair
the call today
Hydra and Thing Description
Darko: is Bergi on the call?
(Bergi is not on the call)
<victor> [16]https://github.com/bergos/wot-examples/
[16] https://github.com/bergos/wot-examples/
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
victor: Hydra examples above
... also goes through the Current Practices document
->
[17]http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.ht
ml#td-examples Current Practices document
[17]
http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#td-examples
victor: Bergi defines events
<Yongjing> who's speaking now? i see Darko?
victor: GET, PUT, DELETE operations
<Yongjing> Why the WebEx shows Darko_Anicic?
victor: temperature sensor
<Yongjing> see, that's my problem...
victor: Hydra middleware recognizes any Hydra-based APIs
darko: not clear
... how to interact with events?
victor: he defines 3 other examples
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
darko: take temperature as example to explain?
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
victor: (goes through the Hydra:supportedProperty examples)
... classes and Hydra properties
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
Daniel: missing aspects of protocols
victor: Hydra can map to abstract operations, e.g. GET, PUT
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
victor: mapping on protocols is quite obvious
<Yongjing> Daniel: need certain middleware?
michael: Hydra exposes underlying REST-based mechanism
... Thing Description is a template
victor: serializable as RDF
michael: RDF is just one possible notation
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
victor: to get the temperature in Hydra, need to address
resource, with serialized media type
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
victor: the Hydra client doesn't have to understand the media
type
michael: we could have Hydra Thing Description like our Thing
Description
... I should join the discussion
victor: lacking modeling type system
... link or actual resource
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
victor: resource should only have properties as literal or
links to the resources
Michael: will take closer look into Hydra and have further
discussion
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
darko: if we have one description for temperature in one file
... and another file
... this would be definitely a hyperlink approach
victor: you can define classes
... and all the temperature sensors will refer to the class
definition
... currently discussion on lifecycle
... interesting approach regarding this
... TD template
... if you recognize of URI of the class definition
michael: not only Thing Description for Hydra but some ontology
for Hydra could be defined
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
michael: we can still use external ontologies
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
michael: interesting question on modeling ontology for Hydra
victor: everything should be Hydra class
... if you want further semantic definition, you can include
Hydra class definition
michael: it has elegance to define everything within Hydra
framework
victor: even for abstract concept
... to me it's not flexible enough from semantic viewpoint
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
victor: it means every concept would be de-referencable,
including abstraction concepts, that's not flexible
<kaz> [18]Victor's pull request
[18] https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/229
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
victor: my pull request above
... just a proposal
johannes: would suggest to merge this in unless any objections
darko: breakout session during the next f2f?
... you can raise a proposal
victor: is Matthias available by the end of this week?
johannes: would ask the group about if it's OK to merge this
proposal
(no objection)
yongjing: question about gh-pages branch
RESOLUTION: #299 can be merged, status remains as proposal to
be discussed on TPAC
johannes: automatically available as a rendered HTML at some
URL
Submission of WG Charter draft to W3M
kaz: the draft charter itself is ok
... had discussions with candidate co-Chairs
... talking with W3M about the next step
... Jeff's suggestion is approving the WG charter today,
finalizing the co-Chair list by the end of Friday, and sending
out the AC review request on Monday
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
Johannes: anything preventing us submit the WG charter?
... today?
Kaz: figure out the co-chair arrangement by Fri
... final solution shall be ready by Monday
Co-chair discussion
Kaz: will be another call on Friday about co-chair arrangement
Joint Call with oneM2M
Johannes: update info of the last joint call with oneM2M
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
yongjing: was there as the oneM2M rep
... good discussion
... expecting another joint call maybe after TPAC
... also there will be the oneM2M meeting in Oct.
... working on liaison between oneM2M and W3C
kaz: please send a liaison letter to team-liaisons
yongjing: will happen after the Oct meeting
uday: can help you
... another question on the joint meeting with IRTF T2T
johannes: research group from IRTF
... they're doing something quite similar to our work
... have been holding several joint meetings
... 2 days usually
... no registration fee
... announcement will be made on the mailinglist
... (shows Ari's message)
->
[19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Aug/
0040.html Ari's message
[19]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Aug/0040.html
<victor> send an email to t2trg-chairs@ietf.org if you attend
TPAC Preparation
<DarkoAnicic>
[20]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,
_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda
[20]
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda
->
[21]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,
_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda TPAC agenda wiki
[21]
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda
johannes: outreach and ad-hoc meetings
->
[22]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,
_Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings joint meetings
[22]
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings
johannes: the slot for automotive?
kaz: still open, and to be discussed
victor: question on "breakout"?
darko: "breakout" means that the topic could be done as a
breakout session
kaz: maybe we can start to define the initial time specific
agenda based on those joint meetings
johannes: +1
<DarkoAnicic> Joint meeting with SDWG at TPAC:
[23]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:F2F4 Tuesday
4pm
[23] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:F2F4
Demo setup
<inserted> scribenick: Yongjing
Kaz: no cable connection , maybe we could use a converter
between wifi and cable connection
... cost will be evaluated
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
johannes: need to see if it's possible to bring that kind of
converter
kaz: theoretically we can do that using a Linux PC
<inserted> scribenick: DarkoAnicic
Johannes: we should be prepared to work with no wire connection
at the Demo/PlugFest
Roll-up posters
<dape>
[24]https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2016-lisbon
/TPAC-2016-Poster-Template.svg
[24]
https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2016-lisbon/TPAC-2016-Poster-Template.svg
<dape> see also
[25]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,
_Portugal,_Lisbon_Demo
[25]
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon_Demo
<DarkoAnicic>
[26]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:TPAC-2016-roll-up.jpg
[26] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:TPAC-2016-roll-up.jpg
dape: each demo leader is responsible to generate the poster
kaz: question on the "WoT" logo
... Yingying, have you talked with the Marcomm Team about the
usage of the green "WoT" logo?
yingying: will hold a dedicated call for that
johannes: wondering if it would be problematic to have the logo
yingying: MarComm team requested us to remove the WoT logo from
W3C WoT Flyers.
... but need to check for this poster
johannes: when can we get the final statement?
yingying: will check after this call
johannes: maybe by Friday, can we get the conclusion?
yingying: will try
Table status reports
johannes: could show what the API, servient, etc., are like
... Michael, can we work together?
... let's have another call with you later
can we set a deadline for the table status report?
uday: maybe you can talk with Matthias?
darko: offline discussion would be fine
dape: possibly could try a printing company in Lisbon
Presentation of Joint White Paper
<DarkoAnicic> [27]http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.25758.13122
[27] http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.25758.13122
dape: or if we want to print it beforehand, we should finish it
<DarkoAnicic> Dave is not present today
kaz: need to check with Dave
... got inquiries from some of the JP Members too
yongjing: I myself am also included in this effort, and am
wondering if W3C is happy to consider this whitepaper as the
one from W3C as a whole?
... rather than the one from those 4 individuals
... it's related to the usage of the W3C logo and the WoT logo
too
darko: Kaz will check with Dave and other W3C Team
... any other questions?
(none)
[ adjourned ]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [28]#299 can be merged, status remains as proposal to be
discussed on TPAC
[End of minutes]
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