- From: Christian Groves <Christian.Groves@nteczone.com>
- Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:17:06 +1000
- To: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
- Cc: public-wot-ig@w3.org
I agree "telemetry" is a fundamental use case for IoT however I don't see anything particularly unique about it. All it seems you're describing is the ability of a device to report combinations of sensor data at various time scales. I'm not sure how this relates to the charter or attracting new members? Regards, Christian On 23/05/2016 7:03 PM, Dave Raggett wrote: > Let’s be more specific. Telemetry from remote sensors is clearly an > important role for the IoT. An example is collecting a stream of data > from remote weather stations. Consider a wind sensor that reports the > wind speed and direction. The telemetry stream then consists of a > sequence samples where each sample gives that speed and direction at > the time of the measurement. > > For a thing description, a stream can be defined as a property. For > the wind vane example, there would be sub-properties for the speed and > direction. The property metadata would indicate the time interval > between samples. Imagine an app that displays a scrolling graph with > the wind speed and direction. This could read one sample at a time > from the stream. Another app might want to perform some statistical > measurements over the stream, and require access to a history of > samples over some time window. > > The wind sensor could use a wind and solar powered microcontroller to > transmit blocks of readings over CoAP. The MCU thus needs to buffer > the requisite number of samples for each packet. An app running on a > more powerful device would be able to access a much larger number of > samples. > > This is straightforward and low risk. W3C needs to > embrace telemetry as part of the Web of Things. > >> On 23 May 2016, at 07:50, Christian Groves >> <Christian.Groves@nteczone.com >> <mailto:Christian.Groves@nteczone.com>> wrote: >> >> I think that having a concise set of work items that are an active >> focus rather than having a larger set of "wish list" work items is >> the best way to attract people. I've seen plenty of examples where >> standards bodies who create work items for marketing purposes to >> "attract people" and the work items go nowhere. >> >> Regards, Christian >> >> >> On 20/05/2016 2:46 AM, Soumya Kanti Datta wrote: >>> Without having some work items or deliverables on E2E Security or >>> Semantic aspects it would be difficult to attract new people to >>> actively contribute to the IG work. If you look into the IoT >>> platforms or other SDOs, everyone has dedicated building blocks >>> addressing semantic interoperability, data representation, security etc. >>> >>> Soumya >>> >>> Research Engineer, EURECOM, France | +33658194342 | @skdatta2010 | >>> https://sites.google.com/site/skdunfolded | Skype id: soumyakantidatta >>> >>> >>> Quoting "Roes, J.B.M. (Jasper)" <jasper.roes@tno.nl >>> <mailto:jasper.roes@tno.nl>>: >>> >>>> Yes, I think the suggestions that the both of you do are >>>> interesting and are worth investigating in the near future. For >>>> now I hope that the current text in the IG charter is enough for >>>> this moment, as working it out in more detail would in my opinion >>>> take more time that we have to in finishing the IG charter. Next >>>> to that, I think it would be good to work out the details with a >>>> broader group of people that are interest in semantic >>>> interoperability and the relation with WoT, instead of trying to >>>> do it now with a limited group of people. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Jasper >>>> >>>> From: Michael Koster [mailto:michael.koster@smartthings.com] >>>> Sent: maandag 16 mei 2016 20:40 >>>> To: Dave Raggett >>>> Cc: Roes, J.B.M. (Jasper); Soumya Kanti Datta; Public Web of Things IG >>>> Subject: Re: How to attract new members to the WoT IG? >>>> >>>> I think we could look at how ontology can drive semantic >>>> interoperability using W3C WoT architecture and Thing Description >>>> as an operational framework. >>>> >>>> One area of interest is in providing a layer of application >>>> semantics on top of APIs. For example, we could look at a >>>> consistent way of annotating Thing Descriptions with application >>>> semantics derived from ontologies including SAREF. Thing >>>> Description can become the well-known way to associate application >>>> semantics with resource instances. >>>> >>>> What are the information design patterns and best practices that >>>> enable discovery, interaction, and service composition based on >>>> W3C Thing Description with semantic annotation? What does semantic >>>> annotation of a TD look like? How can we use ontology to annotate >>>> TD with context information? >>>> >>>> How can we build domain models using TD and ontology? Can TD become >>>> a modeling language and constructor for instances of connected things? >>>> >>>> It seems like it starts with aligning the concepts in the ontology >>>> around describing the Actions, Events, and Properties of things, >>>> and adding a descriptive contextual layer. This seems to me to be >>>> where a lot of interesting work needs to be done. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> On May 16, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org >>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org><mailto:dsr@w3.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jasper, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Do you you have any >>>> suggestions for what we should put in the IG charter? It sounds >>>> like we could have a work item on investigating APIs and the use >>>> cases that motivate them. >>>> >>>> Brainstorming a little, I can envisage APIs for the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> * checking that a thing description conforms to a given domain model >>>> * applying a domain model to validate the current state of a >>>> thing?s properties >>>> * applying a domain model to validate messages exchanged with a >>>> thing >>>> * validating the interoperability for service compositions >>>> involving multiple things >>>> * searching for services that match particular requirements at >>>> the semantic level >>>> >>>> There could also be APIs that focus on the dynamic use of semantic >>>> models to represent the current state of a system at an abstract >>>> level. This could embody geographic models, e.g. for a city, >>>> covering many aspects of the transport system, and fed from >>>> multiple source of information. Related to this are APIs for >>>> streaming analytics based upon semantic data streams. >>>> >>>> A further area combines semantics and security, for instance, >>>> allowing checks that a given service composition is permitted by >>>> the access control policies for the parties involved. Semantic >>>> models of the trust assumptions could enable further checks on >>>> what data can passed between platforms defined by different >>>> organisations. >>>> >>>> There are lots of possibilities, and the Interest Group could play >>>> a valuable in pulling together ideas from a broad range of >>>> existing studies. >>>> >>>> How much should we say in the IG charter and can we provide links >>>> that substantiate the viability of the approach? >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2016, at 11:47, Roes, J.B.M. (Jasper) <jasper.roes@tno.nl >>>> <mailto:jasper.roes@tno.nl><mailto:jasper.roes@tno.nl>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Soumya and Dave, >>>> >>>> I also agree on the need to have work items on semantics and >>>> security, as these seem to be most relevant topics at this moment >>>> in WoT and IoT. But what we have to keep in mind is that while on >>>> the security side it is normally fairly easy for people to >>>> understand why it is important and why work should be done, on the >>>> semantics side this is often much more difficult, especially when >>>> going into RDF/Linked Data and so forth. For most developers this >>>> is way out of their current activities and they cannot easily >>>> contribute to it, that is why in the Netherlands somebody proposed >>>> to extend the 5-star open data model, to a six star open data >>>> model, adding an additional step between the 4-star and 5-star >>>> level of the original model, being API?s. So what I think is >>>> important is to show how semantics can help making it easier for >>>> parties to being able to use data, and ensuring that they do not >>>> have to implement new API?s almost every day, as the data can be >>>> translated. The WoT group can then focus on have standards API >>>> descriptions (important for developers and them might want to >>>> provide input on this, or at least review), and focus on the >>>> semantics by creating domain models and constraints based on >>>> RDF/ontologies. This would benefit both parties as it solves >>>> issues that parties are currently facing with and endless amount >>>> of API?s that they need to implement that all work different, but >>>> the work on RFD domain models also paves the way for introducing >>>> more state-of-the-art techniques in the near future as the base >>>> has already been layed. This is at least what I am seeing with the >>>> work that we are doing around the Smart Appliances Reference >>>> ontology (SAREF) with ETSI. Most parties now interested in SAREF >>>> are not into ontologies, but are seeing that in the future the >>>> world of ontologies can help them in reaching interoperability and >>>> being able to sell their products in a broader market. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Jasper >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Dave Raggett [mailto:dsr@w3.org] >>>> Sent: vrijdag 13 mei 2016 17:40 >>>> To: Soumya Kanti Datta >>>> Cc: public-wot-ig@w3.org >>>> <mailto:public-wot-ig@w3.org><mailto:public-wot-ig@w3.org> >>>> Subject: Re: How to attract new members to the WoT IG? >>>> >>>> In my experience it is hard for SMEs to actively participate in W3C >>>> groups due to a lack of resources. The key people are already >>>> working flat out and have very little time to devote to standards >>>> groups. This is where outreach to SMEs and developer communities >>>> would be helpful, including semi-permanent plugfests available >>>> over the Internet. In return, we could seek ways to solicit >>>> feedback from developers in a way that isn?t too time consuming >>>> for them. Requiring github pull requests would be an example of >>>> raising the bar way too high. >>>> >>>> I am hoping the we can apply the outstanding pull requests so that >>>> we have a better picture of what the IG charter draft currently >>>> says and where we could strengthen it, e.g. in respect to SMEs. >>>> >>>> Do we really have to wait for the Wednesday call? That would see >>>> very slow and inefficient way to progress. >>>> >>>> On 13 May 2016, at 09:38, Soumya Kanti Datta >>>> <Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr >>>> <mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr><mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't forget SMEs not having a big team and doing a lot of >>>> innovation in IoT and WoT spaces. >>>> >>>> Soumya >>>> >>>> Research Engineer, EURECOM, France | +33658194342 | @skdatta2010 >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/skdunfolded | Skype id: soumyakantidatta >>>> >>>> On 12/05/2016 15:09, Dave Raggett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 May 2016, at 13:46, Soumya Kanti Datta >>>> <Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr >>>> <mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr><mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr> >>>> <mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave, >>>> >>>> I agree that we need work items on semantics and security. >>>> >>>> Great - I will put some thoughts together for these to stimulate >>>> discussion, including people at potential member organisations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But from my exp, not a lot of developer can create software modules >>>> for semantic computing. So, with a colleague of mine, I worked on >>>> creating a framework trying to hide semantics from developers. It was >>>> the same I talked about during the last f2f open day. >>>> >>>> I feel best practice guidelines are highly necessary to give >>>> guidelines to developers. >>>> >>>> Most people are specialists in some area or other. This is why >>>> teams are >>>> important as a way to bring together people with complementary skills. >>>> Guidelines that can help different kinds of developers would indeed be >>>> useful, but as Alan says, not sufficient to convince people to come and >>>> be part of the Interest Group and help us progress. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Soumya >>>> >>>> Research Engineer, EURECOM, France | +33658194342 | @skdatta2010 | >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/skdunfolded | Skype id: soumyakantidatta >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org >>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org><mailto:dsr@w3.org> <mailto:dsr@w3.org>>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Soumya, >>>> >>>> Do you think that a ?best practices? document will be sufficient to >>>> attract new members? Wouldn?t it be much weaker than having >>>> explicit work items on semantics and security? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 May 2016, at 03:20, Soumya Kanti Datta >>>> <Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr >>>> <mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr><mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr> >>>> <mailto:Soumya-Kanti.Datta@eurecom.fr>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dave, >>>> I agree that semantics and security are really vital for WoT. At >>>> the same time, we must keep in mind that WoT or IoT is highly >>>> interdisciplinary. Therefore, it would be good to create a best >>>> practices deliverable/document (showing guidelines for global >>>> interoperability) to attract the developers. >>>> Soumya >>>> Research Engineer, EURECOM, France | +33658194342 | @skdatta2010 | >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/skdunfolded >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/skdunfolded> | Skype id: >>>> soumyakantidatta >>>> On 11-05-2016 19:49, Dave Raggett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> What do we need to do in the IG charter to make it easier to >>>> attract new members? Before writing a pull request, it makes >>>> sense to first discuss this challenge and see what ideas emerge >>>> and where we have a rough consensus. >>>> >>>> When talking with people in IoT alliances and other standards >>>> development organisations, I have seen that there is general >>>> agreement on the importance of semantic interoperability and >>>> security. W3C is respected for its work on standards relating to >>>> RDF and linked data, and is expected to take the lead on enabling >>>> declarative domain models and constraints. >>>> >>>> For security, so far each organisation has approached this >>>> independently. This risks problems for end to end security for >>>> services that span platforms specified by different organisations. >>>> Without shared trust assumptions, parties will only be able to >>>> share data that is marked as being publicly accessible. By >>>> focusing on inter-platform standards for the IoT, W3C has a >>>> mission to work with the IoT organisations to encourage alignment >>>> over trust assumptions for security and how to describe this in >>>> metadata. >>>> >>>> We have very few people currently in the IG with the requisite >>>> experience. What do we need to do in the new IG charter to help >>>> attract such people? >>>> >>>> Do you agree that semantics and security are critical to realising >>>> the potential for the Web of Things? >>>> >>>> One idea would be to add explicit deliverables on semantic >>>> modelling and end to end security, what do you think? >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org >>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org%20%3cmailto:dsr@w3.org>> >>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org> <mailto:dsr@w3.org> >>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> This message was sent using EURECOM Webmail: >>>> http://webmail.eurecom.fr<http://webmail.eurecom.fr/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org> <mailto:dsr@w3.org>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This message may contain information that is not intended for you. >>>> If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by >>>> mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the >>>> message. 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