RE: IG charter - alpha 4

Dear Dave, Kaz, all,

I was confused what the purpose of re-chartering this time was. My understanding was that, the group considered that WG should focus on creating recommendations and related test suites, so that the IG should be kept and do the complementary role to WG. So the necessary update to IG charter for now would be clarifying the relationship between IG and WG, as well as extending the time to allow doing such complementary role. Such change seems to be reasonable amount of work which meets to current time frame by July.

After then, we can continue discussion on investigating on new deliverables, within the scope of IG activity. After such discussion, when we reach consensus on what should be delivered, we can update the charter so that the group can advertise to recruit newly interested parties on such deliverables.

On the other hands, if we invite new members under current situation, i.e.) without enough consensus on new deliverables and continue debating, I'm afraid that they are disappointed because they want to discuss about technology and not about the politics.

So, I suggest to 1) make minimum update to charter for now, and 2) continue discussion for what should be delivered and then update charter again whenever we reach consensus. Does it make sense?

Best regards,
Toru Kawaguchi

From: Dave Raggett [mailto:dsr@w3.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:00 PM
To: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Cc: Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>; J. Alan Bird <abird@w3.org>
Subject: Re: IG charter - alpha 4

Hi Kaz,

Given that we need to freeze the charter this weekend, we need a lightweight process. My detailed comments are inlined below.

On 18 May 2016, at 21:32, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org<mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thanks for updating the draft IG Charter based on the discussion
during today's call.

However, I'm a bit concerned the current way we're dealing with
the draft IG Charter may be confusing to the IG participants
because of the following:

- The IG got a consensus about the procedure to update the draft IG
  Charter [1] the other day,  and there are already a GitHub repository [2],
  GitHub issues [3], Pull Requests [4] and email threads on the public list [5].

There were too many separate pull requests outstanding and it was necessary to generate a combined document to make progress as we have very little time left if we are to be rechartered by the Beijing meeting.



- I've checked the diff between (1) the HTML version of the draft
  Charter on GitHub [6] and (2) your generated alpha4 draft [7], and
  there are so many differences as the diff version file [8] shows.

I’ve explained these in my emails to the public list.



- There are three separate resources (on GitHub [6] and the W3C server [8, 10])
  and discussions (on GitHub Issues [3], Pull Requests [4] and the IG public list [5])
  as follows:

  1. discussion based on the GitHub version:
     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016May/thread.html#msg75


  2. discussion based on the alpha 3 version:
     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016May/thread.html#msg76


  3. discussion based on this alpha 4 version:
     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016May/thread.html#msg89


So I think we should once merge all the changes (or part of the changes) in this
alpha 4 version [7] back into the GitHub version [6] first, and then hold the further
discussions at one specific place.

In principle, we could do so, but this would take a lot of time to manage and we don’t have a lot of time. Moreover, very few people were actively participating by providing pull requests or commenting on pull requests, so I think that the process wasn’t really involving the full set of participants in the IG.




For that purpose, maybe we need to discuss again what the procedure for the
IG Charter generation should be.

Possible options should include:

Opt 1: We continue to use the GitHub repository version [6] as the
       basis and hold discussions using GitHub Issues [3] and Pull
       Requests [4].

Opt 2: We rather use the alpha 4 version [7] as the basis and hold
       discussions on the IG public list [5].

This is the efficient option and the most transparent.



Either option is fine by me but we need to make the group's consensus
again and follow the agreed procedure.

[1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Apr/0068.html

[2] https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/charters

[3] https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues

[4] https://github.com/w3c/wot/pulls

[5] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016May/thread.html

[6] http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html

[7] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/wot-ig-2016-alpha4.html

[8] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/wot-ig-2016-diff.html

[9] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/wot-ig-2016-alpha3.html


Thanks,

Kazuyuki

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org>> wrote:
I am seeking a W3C Management Committee (W3M) member to review the draft charter, something that is a precondition for asking approval to start the Advisory Committee Review. I expect to announce the charter extension as part of the advanced notice for the work on the IG and WG charters. I plan to send this out on Monday morning.  We need to finalise the IG charter by the close of Friday, and I will ask W3M for approval for the AC Review at their next meeting on Wednesday, Jul 25.

Following today’s call, I have generated the alpha 4 version of the draft IG charter, see:

   http://www.w3.org/2016/05/wot-ig-2016-alpha4.html


We’re still in need of dates for first IG notes for each of the deliverables.

The changes are as follows:

I’ve switched to the patent disclosure wording from the previous charter as the new charter template was designed primarily for WGs.

Update the relationships figure to fix camel-casing of PlugFest, and corrected WG description to “write test suites” rather than “interop” since W3C WGs don’t normally work on interop testing. Instead, they are required to produce test suites and to collect implementation reports as a condition for moving from Candidate to Proposed Recommendation for their specifications. Note clicking/tapping on the figure gives you the full sized version which could be useful for people viewing the charter on mobile devices.

The first paragraph for the scope section has been split and new text added to the resulting second paragraph to explain the work on semantic interoperability and end to end security across platforms using different standards. It is made clear that this work will combine implementation experience with in-depth analysis.

The bullet points in the scope section have modified to clarify the distinction between supporting the Working Group in respect to satisfying the exit criteria for Candidate Recommendations, and the role of PlugFests for interoperability testing across implementations for ideas at different levels of maturity.

I have added examples for further ideas for topics to the paragraph following the bullet points.

In respect to the deliverables, I would note that without the deliverables for semantics and security, the W3C is unlikely to attract the participation of the companies that we need to make the Web of Things widely successful.  We need a compelling charter to bring in people from all scales of businesses, with the breadth of experience across different areas.  We need to become strategically compelling for businesses as they seek embrace the opportunity and disruption that the IoT will bring.  I recommend reading the Harvard Business Review article by Michael Porter and James HeppelMan "How Smart, Connected Products Are Transforming Competition”. See:

     https://hbr.org/2014/11/how-smart-connected-products-are-transforming-competition


p.s. I am copying Alan Bird, W3C Business Development lead to allow him to confirm the importance of rising the to opportunity for the Web of Things.

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   Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org>>






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   Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org>>