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Re: [whatwg] Some Clarification on CML Proposal

From: Jacob Villarreal <jv1597@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC)
To: "rh_whatwg@skuldwyrm.no" <rh_whatwg@skuldwyrm.no>, "whatwg@lists.whatwg.org" <whatwg@lists.whatwg.org>
Message-ID: <2061167261.4231798.1475764976635@mail.yahoo.com>
I find it somewhat strange that we are not able to synch up on this proposal.  It's kind of funny, but there isn't much to these new tags I mentioned.  They're used like any regular html tags, like <form action="action_page.php"></form>, for example, but <source form:[path]/action_page.php:coord>.  So the source tag would retrieve the action_page.php file by means of the source path, and render it at the pixel coordinate specified, on the web page.  So there are only two main tags for the whole CML language, being <source>, and <destination>, and one subtype tag, being <attribute>.  So the attributes within source/destination perform retrieval/storage operations, while the attribute tag performs attribute operations with respect to the type attribute found in the source/destination tags.  So the attribute tag is always used in connection with either the source, or the destination tags individually.  As far as CSS, and Javascript coding, it's much more antiquated than the formatting/scripting possibilities that CML presents.  Static formatting on multiple pages, like what CSS does, can be done more efficiently, by applying one simple line of code to all of the targeted content on the page.  For example:
<destination css><source [type]:[path]:Null><destination css:[path]/css_settings.css>
This would send all of the settings for the objects between the destination tags to a single file for appliance of those settings on other pages, with only two simple lines of code.  That's alot more efficient than html, and CSS.
It's not a big deal, seriously, you don't have to worry about it.  It was just something I came up with after having been agitated by the trouble I had with html.  I couldn't get anything to work.  That's why I would like to get these tags implemented, so I can get started doing much more than what html, CSS, and JavaScript have to offer.
Thanks,Jacob 

    On Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:14 AM, Jacob Villarreal <jv1597@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

 Roger,You wrote:How is this any different from PHP, ASP, JSP, .Net, ColdFusion, etc?  You could implement your CML on the backend and have it 'output' XML/HTML+JavaScript+CSS for delivery to user agents with compatibility with everything out there today.
In response:I've tried a little bit of PHP, and just seen some samples of ASP, JSP, and ColdFusion.  But in case you didn't notice CML only consists of two tags.  Compare that to PHP, which is very similar to C+ programming language.  I'm not sure if you were complementing or what, but it's true CML would be compatible with pretty much anything out there, including XML/HTML+JavaScript+CSS.  In fact, CSS is accomplished by simply appending different sources to be rendered on the page in a layered format.  As for example:
line 1: <source form:[path]:coord>+line 2: <source form:[path]:coord>+
line 3: <source form:[path]:coord>

Tabs would be image objects with linkage to lines within a single cascade record.  I know you think it sounds like batch programming, but it's really not any different from standard html, in that respect, other than the simplicity, and scalability. 
You wrote:If you want to try to replace HTML, JavaScript, and CSS so that every user agent needs to understand CML natively - that's just not going to happen.
In response:Very funny, but CML is so simple, it would only take you around 5-10 minutes to learn it completely.
You wrote:There are many server-side options and it really sounds like that's where CML would fit.  Your developers would write in CML, and the 'engine' would render that into the appropriate content for delivery to UAs.
In response:I don't know why everyone keeps referring to server-side infrastructure in response to CML.  When you access html files located on an Microsoft IIS server, you access folders located either on the server, or on a remote server/database.  CML would access the .frm/.mnu files, for example from the same server's folders, or from a remote server/database.  The difference is in the backend, being on the unix side, I believe, which runs the scripts for html.  So I was wondering if the browsers translate the html code, or if the internet servers require a script update with the appropriate implementations to run on the .frm/.mnu file extensions in order to apply the rules with respect to line text in those files.
So I don't think we're synched up with it too well.  I guess I would like to know whether the browser's code applies the html, or if the internet servers handle the translation for rendering of site content onto the web page.  If the server side handles the processing of html code, it might require a new protocol, or internet information server script.  If the browsers handle the processing of html code, then the browsers would need the update to be able to run CML.  I just thought it would require an entirely new specification in order to implement it for the general public.
You wrote:
Personally I don't see value in this proposal.
In response:I'm confident that CML would replace html entirely, though, by popular franchise, haha.  I'm beginning to get the idea that I would have to develop my own open source website, and driver/script update for browsers, like with Flash updates.
Didn't mean to take up too much of your time.
Thanks anyway,Jacob 

    On Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:02 AM, Roger Hågensen <rh_whatwg@skuldwyrm.no> wrote:
 

 On 2016-10-06 14:15, MegaZone wrote:
> How is this any different from PHP, ASP, JSP, .Net, ColdFusion, etc?  You
> could implement your CML on the backend and have it 'output'
> XML/HTML+JavaScript+CSS for delivery to user agents with compatibility with
> everything out there today.
>...
> There are many server-side options and it really sounds like that's where
> CML would fit.  Your developers would write in CML, and the 'engine' would
> render that into the appropriate content for delivery to UAs.

Yeah! For example, I'm working on a offline CMS that actually uses 
include/declaration files for all the components of a static site. The 
CMS will grab all that apply templates and "render" the finished html, 
PHP is actually used to power this CMS.

> Personally I don't see value in this proposal.
I have to agree, I almost feel like I'm being trolled at this point.
Unless a post or a "diagram" shows up that makes me go "Ah! Now I see!" 
I'm not going to bother responding to any further posts on this subject.


-- 
Roger Hågensen, Freelancer, http://skuldwyrm.no/


   

   
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