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Re: [whatwg] VIDEO and pitchAdjustment

From: Eric Carlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:43:59 -0800
Message-id: <84B4DB14-39E1-4E8B-AAA2-F9F69C822CA7@apple.com>
To: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>, Garrett Smith <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com>
Cc: WHAT Working Group <whatwg@lists.whatwg.org>, Michael Enright <mike@kmcardiff.com>, Domenic Denicola <d@domenic.me>, "robert@ocallahan.org" <robert@ocallahan.org>

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Garrett Smith <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com <mailto:dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 10/19/15, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Domenic Denicola <d@domenic.me> wrote:
>>>>> From: Eric Carlson [mailto:eric.carlson@apple.com]
>>>>> 
>> 
>> [...]
>>> I've filed a spec issue to make it so:
>>> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/262
>>> 
>>> If there's any implementor interest in pitch control that goes beyond
>>> (independently) or that, please file a separate issue.
>>> 
>> 
>> They won't.
>> 
>> You can hold the standard of "they need to come here and post up
>> cogent arguments in favor of feature X", but it ain't gonna happen
>> that way.
>> 
>> There just isn't a whole lot of money in music education. How many
>> music education companies are W3C members?
>> 
>> Unlike technology companies like Facebook, Google, Nokia, Opera, and
>> other companies the post here, small music education operations like
>> artistworks, jammit, licklibrary, etc are more about their domain —
>> "music" — than they are about technology.
>> 
>> Major music education websites are still using Flash; their developers
>> are busy fixing broken links, making the login feature, database, etc
>> work, etc. Flash is not nice but they apparently were not funded or
>> motivated enough by the existing HTML5 HTMLMediaElement to use it
>> instead.
>> 
>> Control over playbackRate has a greater value than pitch control. But
>> those sites don't even allow the students to change the playbackRate
>> because they're still using Flash.
>> 
>> You won't read posts here about what students have to say about it the
>> value of having HTML5 vs Flash, or independent control over pitch and
>> playbackRate.
> 
> Have you investigated whether you can achieve your use cases using the
> Web Audio API? If it isn't possible, is there a small addition to Web
> Audio that would solve the problem?
> 
> It is unfortunately quite hard to get all browser vendors (or even
> one) interested in implementing support for something that is only
> expected to benefit a niche use case, but we should strive to make
> available the primitives that would it possible to implement yourself.
> 
  I am actually quite ambivalent about this feature - it is currently broken on OSX and it has never been implemented on iOS, but as far as I can see we haven’t received a single bug report about this.

eric
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