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Re: [whatwg] HTML differences from HTML4 document updated

From: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:00:15 +0200
To: whatwg <whatwg@lists.whatwg.org>, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
Message-ID: <op.wwphypscidj3kv@simons-macbook-pro.local>
On Mon, 06 May 2013 16:50:03 +0200, Jukka K. Korpela <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>  
wrote:

>> I don't think this is of particular importance.
>
> If it isn't, why not use the correct spelling?

Mostly to be consistent with "HTML5".

> When referring to specifications, it is usually a good idea to use their  
> own spelling, even when it is odd and confusing.
>
>> HTML 4.01 is intended. The differences between revisions of HTML4 is out
>> of scope.
>
> Then the heading should say "HTML 4.01".

It's longer, and it's not clear to me that people are actually confused  
about what "HTML4" refers to.

>> "Modern HTML differences from HTML4"? I'm not convinced that's a win.
>> "Near-future" seems wrong since it's more like "current".
>
> The difficulty here directly reflects the vague nature of HTML5: it  
> partly tries to describe HTML as actually implemented and partly  
> specifies features that should (or "shall") be implemented. Hence it is  
> both modern and (intended to be) near-future.
>
> But the fundamental difficulty is that you are trying to describe a  
> specific version, or set of versions, of HTML without giving it a proper  
> name or version number.
>
> Since WHATWG does not use a proper name for its version (the title is  
> just "HTML"), I think the only way to refer to it properly is to prefix  
> it with "WHATWG". This would lead to the title
>
> "Differences of HTML5 and WHATWG HTML from HTML 4.01"

Here "HTML5" is supposed to refer to "W3C HTML5 and W3C HTML5.1"?

How about I go back to the original title "Differences from HTML4"?  
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Differences_from_HTML4


>> Such a document would be useful, but it's not this document. The primary
>> focus for this document is what is different from HTML4.
>
> But why? What is the purpose of this document? This is relevant to  
> naming it, and to the content too, of course. Now it is neither a  
> reliable comparison with links the relevant clauses nor an overview - it  
> has too many details, to begin with.

It's more intended to be an overview. Can you give an example of something  
that is too detailed and suggest the level of detail that would be more  
appropriate?

> Is this for authors who consider moving from HTML 4.01 to HTML 5?

Yes.

> Then I think it should primarily specify what HTML 4.01 features are  
> forbidden in HTML 5, then the extensions.

Thanks, that's useful feedback.

-- 
Simon Pieters
Opera Software
Received on Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:00:44 UTC

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