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Re: [whatwg] HTML differences from HTML4 document updated

From: Xaxio Brandish <xaxiobrandish@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 11:53:21 -0700
Message-ID: <CABAoKZm1ux0kUVf0+4sbeQSvW_wjvX6y1JsBUi_4OH2nPBPDgg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Gordon P. Hemsley" <gphemsley@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>, whatwg <whatwg@lists.whatwg.org>
I see what you're saying.

The document title on the WHATWG site is titled based on the W3C document
[1].  However, I see no reason to keep the same title structure; it will be
easy to find either way.

In that case, "Differences between HTML and HTML4" sounds nice as well.
The only reservation I have is that the "from" preposition connotates that
HTML follows HTML4 (which it does, in a manner of speaking), whereas the
"between" preposition implies a comparison among similar but equal ideas.

--Xaxio

References:
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley <gphemsley@gmail.com>wrote:

> It is my understanding that the W3C version lists "HTML5" and the
> WHATWG version uses "HTML". That was what I intended by "HTML(5)". I
> didn't mean the parentheses were included literally.
>
> Gordon
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Xaxio Brandish <xaxiobrandish@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Ah.  The document scope [1] explains why it uses "HTML" in the title as
> > opposed to HTML5 or HTML(5).
> >
> > --Xaxio
> >
> > References:
> > [1] http://html-differences.whatwg.org/#scope
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley <gphemsley@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The way I interpreted it, Jukka meant that the title could be
> >> something more flowing, like "Differences between HTML4 and HTML(5)".
> >>
> >> Gordon
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Xaxio Brandish <xaxiobrandish@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Good day,
> >> >
> >> > Let us start with a definition:
> >> >
> >> > es·o·ter·ic
> >> > /ˌesəˈterik/
> >> > Adjective
> >> > Intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of
> people
> >> > with a specialized knowledge or interest.
> >> >
> >> > The document Simon delivered and formatted is useful to a wide range
> of
> >> > audiences interested in HTML and how it differs from a previous named
> >> > release of the HTML roadmap, so I'm not sure calling the title of the
> >> > document "esoteric" is accurate.
> >> >
> >> > Regardless of that, if the title is obscure, could you please offer up
> >> > title suggestions so that your posting becomes more constructive?
>  Keep
> >> > in
> >> > mind that an existing document [1] on the whatwg.org site references
> >> > HTML
> >> > version 4 as "HTML4" already, so there is a precedent set for this.  I
> >> > do
> >> > not think this will confuse anybody, and it would have to be changed
> >> > throughout documents on the entire site to be consistent.  I'd like to
> >> > propose that both nomenclatures are valid when referring to the entire
> >> > HTML
> >> > 4 specification.
> >> >
> >> > The important thing (IMHO) to remember here regarding the title is
> that
> >> > HTML released two subversions of HTML 4, HTML 4.0 [2] and HTML 4.01
> [3].
> >> > The document must be intended as a differentiation between the entire
> >> > version of HTML4, since it does not specify a specific subversion to
> >> > diff?
> >> > However, it links to the HTML 4.01 specification in the "References"
> >> > section.  If this is *only* a diff between HTML 4.01 and the living
> >> > standard, perhaps the title should then be "HTML differences from HTML
> >> > 4.01" so that the document has additional meaning.  If there are
> >> > differences between HTML 4.0, HTML 4.01, *and* HTML5 in the same
> section
> >> > of
> >> > the document, those should probably be appropriately marked.
> >> >
> >> > --Xaxio
> >> >
> >> > References:
> >> > [1]
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#history-1
> >> > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/
> >> > [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Jukka K. Korpela <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 2013-05-03 18:37, Simon Pieters wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>  The past few days I've been working on updating the HTML differences
> >> >>> from HTML4 document, which is a deliverable of the W3C HTML WG but
> is
> >> >>> now also available as a version with the WHATWG style sheet:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://html-differences.**whatwg.org/<
> http://html-differences.whatwg.org/>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think you should start from making the title sensible. "HTML
> >> >> differences
> >> >> from HTML4" is too esoteric even in this context.
> >> >>
> >> >> Think about a heading "FOO differences from FOO9". Wouldn't you say
> >> >> that
> >> >> some FOOist is writing very obscurely?
> >> >>
> >> >> Besides, the spelling is "HTML 4". Especially if you think HTML 4 is
> >> >> ancient history, retain the historical spelling.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yucca
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gordon P. Hemsley
> >> me@gphemsley.org
> >> http://gphemsley.org/http://gphemsley.org/blog/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gordon P. Hemsley
> me@gphemsley.org
> http://gphemsley.org/http://gphemsley.org/blog/
>
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