- From: Cameron Heavon-Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:30:30 +0100
On 14/07/2011, at 10:36 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > I haven't studied the above yet, but I just wanted to bring up a trial > balloon for a possible alternative solution: drop <time> and replace it > with a generic solution. > > There are several use cases for <time>: > > A. Easier styling of dates and times from CSS. This may be a case of a disconnect between what a programmer thinks of style compared to what a user thinks of style. A localized user thinks that 1/1/01 is a date, whereas this is just a style of formatting to a programmer who thinks of date's in the non-ambigous serialization of 2001-01-01 The question: is i18n formatting stylistic or semantic? > > B. A way to mark up the publication date/time for an article (e.g. for > conversion to Atom). I have concerns about the granularity of such an attribute as pubdate. > > C. A way to mark up machine-readable times and dates for use in > Microformats or microdata. > > Use cases A and B do not seem to have much traction. > > Use case C applies to more than just dates, and the lack of solution for > stuff outside dates and times is being problematic to many communities. > > Proposal: we dump use cases A and B, and pivot <time> on use case C, > changing it to <data> and making it like the <abbr> for machine-readable > data, primarily for use by Microformats and HTML's microdata feature. > This sounds like a great area of research in hope of a simpler, yet more flexible and generic solution. The inclusion of date\time\etc may amount to a similar situation as encountered in HTML4 with it's stylistic attributes and their resulting obsoletion when a better solution is found, in that case it was CSS. > > (I've also filed this as a bug here: > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13240 > I generally prefer to only have issues discussed either in e-mail or in a > bug, but Tantek informs me that for technical reasons he can't discuss > this on the bug and his input is more important to me than convention, > thus my bringing this up here again!) > > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL > http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. > Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Thanks, Cameron Jones
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