- From: Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+w3c@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:15:48 -0400
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage at gmail.com> wrote: > I think the opposite. ?If I upgraded my site to this, I'd want nearly > all the links to onlyreplace. ?There's only a handful of same-origin > links that I'd instead want to trigger a full load. It's very common for several web apps to be installed under a single domain, with links from one to the others: the wiki, forum, and CMS all linking to each other, say. These links are often added to templates by admins as static HTML that the app doesn't even look at. Having them break horribly when the next version of the software uses onlyreplace isn't helpful. Basically, if you're outputting *any* HTML without parsing and sanitizing it, opt-out isn't acceptable, since you *can't* opt out of links in that HTML. And every web app I'm familiar with (admittedly that's about two) does output some HTML without parsing and sanitizing it. Keep in mind that if you can't opt out when you need to, the link will fail. If you can't opt in when you need to, the link will work, just trigger a full reload. Opt-in is a much better idea for that reason alone, given that many apps won't be able to sanitize some of the links they output. > It's true that this could be bad on copypasta, but is your failure > scenario going to be common? ?Are people going to often use different > <base>s on different pages in the same origin? ?I think more usually a > single origin will have the same <base onlyreplace> everywhere, or > else not have <base onlyreplace> at all. ?In the latter case, you'd > presumably want all links to trigger full navigation, since that's > what you're indicating with the lack. I didn't remember that it would only be same-domain. You're right that that's a mitigation. But yes, I'd very much expect the same domain to often use different onlyreplace. Different web apps will have different onlyreplaces, and different web apps are often on the same domain. > (Also, the same problem you note happens similarly with per-<a> > onlyreplace - what if you copy a link from one page to another, and > the new page has *different* elements with the same #ids as elements > in the old page? ?Then you'd be replacing random bits of the page. ?Is > this situation more/less likely than the one you brought up?) I'd hope id collision would be rare enough that this isn't a huge issue. MediaWiki tries to prefix all new classes and id's with mw- for this sort of reason. id's like "content" are likely to show up pretty often, though, you're right. (And in fact MediaWiki does have an id="content" in the default skin.) > I disagree, and think that most links would use it on a typical page. I'm not sure anymore. It depends how it's used. > You'd just hook the links with javascript and use that to change the > navigation-pane highlight. ?(Or, in some cases, harness CSS, such as > by using the proposed pseudoclass that matches links to the current > document.) Well, okay. That completely defeats the ease of use of this proposal, though.
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