- From: Peter Brawley <pb@artfulsoftware.com>
- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:45 -0500
Ian, > Your requirements aren't met by framesets Eh? Our solution meets the requirement and uses framesets. > <iframe>s have been demonstrated to work as well as framesets No-one's been able to point to a working non-frameset solution that meets this requirement. >, and, well, framesets suck. Unargued, subjective. >I agree that there's >lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they >should work (in more detail than any previous spec!). ?! According to http://www.html5code.com/index.php/html-5-tags/html-5-frameset-tag/, "The frameset tag is not supported in HTML 5." >The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be >resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently. Unsubstantiated claim absent a working example of the spec implemented without framesets. >As noted before, >though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good solution >for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore, that's >a styling issue, not an HTML issue. For those who have to write or generate HTML, that's a distinction without a difference. PB ----- Ian Hickson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Peter Brawley wrote: > >>> I don't know if there are pages that do this (and I sure hope none are >>> using <table> for it!), but the lack of an existence proof is not >>> proof of the lack of existence. >>> >> Of course. The point is if no-one can point to a working iframes >> solution, ie, to an instance of them actually being preferred, the claim >> that iframes provide a preferable alternative is simply not credible, to >> put it mildly. >> > > At this point I don't really understand what you want framesets for. Your > requirements aren't met by framesets, <iframe>s have been demonstrated to > work as well as framesets, and, well, framesets suck. I agree that there's > lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they > should work (in more detail than any previous spec!). But that doesn't > mean we should encourage them. > > The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be > resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently. As noted before, > though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good solution > for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore, that's > a styling issue, not an HTML issue. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.13/2432 - Release Date: 10/13/09 06:35:00 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/attachments/20091013/2fdac703/attachment.htm>
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