- From: Ben Adida <ben@adida.net>
- Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:55:12 -0800
Ian Hickson wrote: > We have to make sure that whatever we specify in HTML5 actually is going > to be useful for the purpose it is intended for. If a feature intended for > wide-scale automated data extraction is especially susceptible to spamming > attacks, then it is unlikely to be useful for wide-scale automated data > extraction. It's no more susceptible to spam than existing HTML, as per my previous response. > Nobody is suggesting that user agents derive any behavior from <title>, so > it doesn't matter if <title> is spammed or not. And RDFa does not mandate any specific behavior, only the ability to express structure. The power lies in products like SearchMonkey that make use of this structure with innovative applications. Can one imagine tools that make poor use of this structured data so that they incentivize spam? Absolutely. Is this the bar for HTML5? If bad or poorly conceived applications can be imagined, then it's not in the standard? > It is less likely for a user to intentionally visit a > spammy page than for a user to visit a page that happens to contain spammy > content embedded within it (e.g. in blog comments). You've done plenty of web security work, and I suspect you know well that spammy RDFa is the least in a large set of problems that come with accepting arbitrary markup in blog comments. This is a strawman. > However, browsers don't do this kind of processing -- > indeed, this kind of processing appears to be exactly what RDFa proponents > are trying to enable (though to what end, I'm still trying to find out, > since nobody has actually replied to all the questions I asked yet [1]). While client-side processing is indeed an important use case (Ubiquity, Fuzzbot, etc...), it's not the only one. SearchMonkey, which you continue to ignore, is an important use case. Before I invest significant time in responding to your barrage of questions, I'm looking for a hint of objective evaluation on your end. I thought I saw an opportunity for productive discussion based on common ground with SearchMonkey, but this has led again into a new and close-to-bogus reason for blocking consideration of RDFa. > Note that search engines aren't the problem here Actually, we were discussing SearchMonkey, so I think it's very much the context for this sub-thread. You continue to ignore SearchMonkey, for reasons which, as I've pointed out in a response earlier today, are factually incorrect. -Ben
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