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[whatwg] Feeedback on <dfn>, <abbr>, and other elements

From: Calogero Alex Baldacchino <alex.baldacchino@email.it>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:54:52 +0100
Message-ID: <492F415C.9070401@email.it>
Pentasis ha scritto:
>> From: Ian Hickson <ian at hixie.ch>
>> Subject: Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on <dfn>, <abbr>, and other elements
>> related to cross-references
>> To: Calogero Alex Baldacchino <alex.baldacchino at email.it>
>> Cc: WHAT Working Group <whatwg at lists.whatwg.org>
>> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0811270041090.17401 at hixie.dreamhostps.com>
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>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps a silly idea: what if abbreviations could work as an img-map
>>> couple? That is, i.e., an <abbr> without a title could avail of a, let's
>>> say, 'ref' attribute indicating the id of a previous <abbr> element with
>>> a title, and the former could be 'self-closing' (i.e. <abbr ref="#foo"
>>> />), so by default the UA would substitute it with the referenced
>>> element content (the unexpanded abbreviation), and, at the user will
>>> (when he/she clics on the abbreviation, or just stops the pointer, or
>>> navigates to the abbreviation, or according to any setting in the
>>> browser options) the abbreviation is expanded. (I guess the above won't
>>> be agreed because of backward compatibility, though)
>>
>> What problem would this solve? It's not like including the abbreviation
>> each time is a great burden.
>>
> 
> Actually, it would solve a problem like this:
> 
> What if I style abbr so that the title attribute is shown after the 
> abbreviation:
> 
> abbr[title]:after {
>   content: " ("attr(title)")";
> }
> 
> Now obviously I don't need and don't want to do this for every instance 
> of the abbreviation on the page visually (just the first one on each 
> page would be enough) , but I do want the title attribute to be expanded 
> for screenreaders on each instance.
> 
> Using this solution would enable the screenreaders to get the title 
> information from a previous instance, but at the same time would not 
> render it visually.
> 
> Bert
> 
> 
> 
I'm not sure I've understood your aim. In my "half-proposal" the '<abbr 
ref=#foo />' element should/could be thought as inheriting the title 
attribute (and the abbreviation content) from the referenced '<abbr 
id="foo" title"Foo Bar" >FB</abbr>', thus your example would expand the 
title for any #foo reference, and should be part of a 
screenreader-targeted style sheet. Was this your purpose?
 
 
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