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[whatwg] <video> element feedback

From: Gareth Hay <gazhay@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:21:47 +0000
Message-ID: <49D1485D-DA01-48E5-8308-5796CE5FAFA2@gmail.com>
I do fully understand the points you make below, but I am not sure I  
fully subscribe to the logic.

> <embed> is in HTML5 specifically for plugins.
>
> However, for <embed>, <object>, <iframe>, and <video>, the spec  
> doesn't
> require that UAs implement the features using plugins or using native
> code. For example, Mozilla natively supports SVG in <embed> (it  
> doesn't
> require a plugin). Similarly, you could see <video> be implemented  
> as a
> special-case plugin. That's an implementation detail and doesn't  
> really
> affect the spec.

I think we have then arrived at tags-for-everything.
(<img><video><audio><embed><iframe> cover everything do they not?)
However, I think if <object> is so widely derided by everyone, than I  
think it needs to be depreciated sooner rather than later.

On 20 Mar 2007, at 09:25, Ian Hickson wrote:

> Similarly, for backwards-compatibility reasons, adding anything to
> <object> is a nightmare. We'd have to carefully examine every  
> addition to
> make sure it didn't clash with existing content, for instance.
>
> Furthermore, overloading an element with various APIs results in
> difficulties for authors. An author dealing with audio doesn't want to
> think about aspect ratios, and an author dealing with video doesn't  
> want
> to think about plugin parameters.
>
> This doesn't mean we have to specify everything as its own element.  
> There
> are media types that it doesn't make sense to support with a specific
> element (at least not yet); we don't want to have six dozen  
> elements with
> each type having its own set of features (and bugs). We _do_ have a
> generic element, <object>, which does work for generic inclusion. It
> doesn't support media-specific features (like the Video API) but it  
> works
> as a stop-gap until the media in question is important enough to  
> deserve
> special treatment, if that happens.


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