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[whatwg] The IMG element, proposing a CAPTION attribute

From: James Graham <jg307@cam.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:32:35 +0000
Message-ID: <45646D93.1020601@cam.ac.uk>
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:42:11 +0600, Michel Fortin <michel.fortin at michelf.com> wrote:
> 
>> So I propose a new <fcaption> elements -- for "figure caption" -- in
>> replacement for the <caption> element in my previous figure construct:
>>
>>      <figure>
>>        <fcaption>Caption Text</fcaption>
>>        <img src="...">
>>      </figure>
>>
>> And if I were to propose a default styling for this, it'd be this one:
>>
>>      figure { display: table; }
>>      fcaption { display: table-caption; }
> 
> <figure> cannot be used like this:
> 
> <table>
>    <thead>
>      <tr>
>        <th>Painting</th>
>        <th>Title</th>
>        <th>Author</th>
>      </tr>
>    </thead>
>    <tbody>
>      <tr>
>        <td><img id="img1" src="..."></td>
>        <td><label for="img1" type="title">Mona Lisa</label></td>
>        <td>Leonardo da Vinci</td>
>      </tr>
>      ...
>    </tbody>
> </table>

In general I think that having <img> and <imgcaption> (or whatever they are 
called) enclosed by a single element is a better idea since the increased 
simplicity makes rendering easier. For example, how would you expect a browser 
to render this?:

<p>Foo
<img id="bar">
<p>Foobar
<p>Baz
<imgcaption for="bar">Pictures are nice!</imgcaption>

In all current UAs I guess it would render something like:

Foo
<img>
Foobar
Baz
Pictures are nice

But I can't think of many situations where a figure's caption should be separate 
from the figure itself and, from the discussion above, it seems that some people 
would expect:

Foo
<img>
Pictures are nice
Foobar
Baz

Which is hard (impossible?) to implement in legacy clients (e.g. via script, if 
the DOM is to be unchanged) and harder to implement in future clients.

Another issue to consider is the possibility of multiple images with a single 
caption (this is very common in scientific papers, print magazines, etc.). A 
construct like
<figure>
<img>
<img>
<img>
<imgcaption>
</figure>
might be enough to support this (the details are, I think, non-trivial); 
something that requires the caption to point to exactly one image cannot.

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